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To: MHGinTN
In simpler terms, what Indonesia writes into their law does not determine the destiny of a U.S. citizen before U.S. law ... an Indonesian law cannot determine what U.S. courts will follow in U.S. law.

That is an interesting concept, that the laws of other nations cannot be applied to American citizens when they conflict with our laws.

No doubt you are trying to avoid the north korean citizenship argument and doing it badly. If Obama's Parents had gone to North Korea and they had become citizen as well as made him a citizen then we have no choice but to accept that he would be a North Korean citizen.

Oddly enough if Obama's father had come to this country and become a naturalized US citizen before Obama was born, we would have no choice but to accept that Obama is a Natural born Citizen by birth.

Other nations accept our laws concerning citizenship and we accept theirs as well, If Obama was made a Indonesian citizen by his Step Father he would be an Indonesian citizen and this country would have to accept that as legal because of treaties and international laws this country has agreed upon, to somehow exempt Obama from those agreements for the sake of politics nullifies the protection such agreements afford Americans around the world as well as the protection they provide our naturalized citizens and their native born natural born offspring.

1,435 posted on 10/09/2009 10:36:12 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: usmcobra
Mercy, what some folks won't try in order to raise an argument.

"If Obama's Parents had gone to North Korea and they had become citizen as well as made him a citizen then we have no choice but to accept that he would be a North Korean citizen." If a child is born on American soil and the parents are American citizens at time of birth, subsequently going to NK and becoming citizens and having NK citizenship conveyed upon the child would not cancel the child's right to American citizenship if later applied to use it ... as the Perkins v Elg SCOTUS case verified exquisitely. The child would not stop being an American citizen by what the parents do with the child.

1,436 posted on 10/09/2009 10:41:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: usmcobra

I believe what was meant there, is that Indonesian citizenship requirements had no bearing upon a minor child’s presumptive U.S. citizenship, even if Indonesia did not recognize or permit dual citizenship.

Indonesia couldn’t revoke the U.S.citizenship of that minor child by law. Even the parents of that minor child couldn’t relinquish it on behalf of the child. That was a decision to be made by the citizen and only the citizen, upon reaching the age of majority under the law.

Any potential controversy pertaining to Indonesian citizenship would hinge upon actions taken or perhaps not taken, as an adult.


1,437 posted on 10/09/2009 10:45:54 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: usmcobra
“No doubt you are trying to avoid the north korean citizenship argument and doing it badly. If Obama’s Parents had gone to North Korea and they had become citizen as well as made him a citizen then we have no choice but to accept that he would be a North Korean citizen.”

usmcobro:

If BO II were raised in NK as a dual NK-US citizen, he would certainly have trouble getting a security clearance, but NK could not unilaterally revoke BO’s NBC status of having both soil and blood citizenship (which he didn't).

All of these attempts to claim that another country could just declare all US citizens to be their citizens thus making their children dual citizens and ineligible for POTUS ignore international law which relies on soil, blood or both to establish citizenship.

That is the beauty of the founder's use of Vattel’s dual protection of soil and blood for POTUS, because it cannot be meddled with by foreign sovereigns under accepted international law then and now.

1,447 posted on 10/10/2009 9:33:14 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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