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Debate Follows Bills to Remove Clotheslines Bans [Global Warming Loonies......]
New York Times ^

Posted on 10/11/2009 8:27:50 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Debate Follows Bills to Remove Clotheslines Bans By IAN URBINA

CANTON, Ohio — After taking a class that covered global warming last year, Jill Saylor decided to save energy by drying her laundry on a clothesline at her mobile home.

“I figured trailer parks were the one place left where hanging your laundry was actually still allowed,” she said, standing in front of her tidy yellow mobile home on an impeccably manicured lawn.

But she was wrong. Like the majority of the 60 million people who now live in the country’s roughly 300,000 private communities, Ms. Saylor was forbidden to dry her laundry outside because many people viewed it as an eyesore, not unlike storing junk cars in driveways, and a marker of poverty that lowers property values.

In the last year, however, state lawmakers in Colorado, Hawaii, Maine and Vermont have overridden these local rules with legislation protecting the right to hang laundry outdoors, citing environmental concerns since clothes dryers use at least 6 percent of all household electricity consumption.

Florida and Utah already had such laws, and similar bills are being considered in Maryland, North Carolina, Oregon and Virginia, clothesline advocates say.

The new laws have provoked a debate. Proponents argue they should not be prohibited by their neighbors or local community agreements from saving on energy bills or acting in an environmentally minded way. Opponents say the laws lifting bans erode local property rights and undermine the autonomy of private communities.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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good grief..........
1 posted on 10/11/2009 8:27:50 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
good grief..........

Yes.

2 posted on 10/11/2009 8:31:01 AM PDT by lysie (A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right.T.Paine)
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To: Sub-Driver

The sad part isn’t the global warming loons, it would be the local loons that outlawed it in the first place.

Live and let live.


3 posted on 10/11/2009 8:35:06 AM PDT by CSA Rebel
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To: Sub-Driver

I see no problems with allowing people to use clotheslines.

However, if they chose to live where it isn’t allowed, they need to accommodate.


4 posted on 10/11/2009 8:35:20 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (There is no "gray area" on issues. I see things from both sides, but I choose the right side.)
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To: Sub-Driver
undermine the autonomy of private communities

i.e., undermine the iron fist of a retired shopkeeper turned mini-Hitler

5 posted on 10/11/2009 8:35:21 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Sub-Driver

Stupidity in motion.

That said, I rarely used my clothesline over the summer. “Global Warming” made it too cool and wet. The clothes would mildew before they dried.


6 posted on 10/11/2009 8:35:49 AM PDT by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: Sub-Driver

Looks like soon we will all be modern stone age families just like the Flintstones, all to save the Earth from global warming which isn’t happening anyway, and if it was, we couldn’t do anything about it.


7 posted on 10/11/2009 8:36:29 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Obamanos!)
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To: Sub-Driver

“Opponents say the laws lifting bans erode local property rights”

How about my right to do what I please on my property? Or “show me your Constitutional right to not be offended”?


8 posted on 10/11/2009 8:37:25 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: Sub-Driver
My Dad used to hang the clothes out to dry in the sun. It has nothing to do with the wacky "climate change" notion.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

9 posted on 10/11/2009 8:38:24 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Sub-Driver

Anyone who moves to one of these planned communities is a fool anyway. They willingly sign their lives away, and then they complain that the planning committee “won’t let them fly a flag”, or “won’t let them plant roses”, or any number of other things that they themselves agreed in contract not to do. I have NO compassion for their plight.


10 posted on 10/11/2009 8:39:14 AM PDT by SandWMan ( I'm still trying to find the section in the Constitution that mentions "nation building".......)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
What you do on your property is your business. If your neighbor doesn't like it, he can go fly a kite!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

11 posted on 10/11/2009 8:39:29 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SandWMan

Wait a minute, it’s a trailer park? Are you kidding me?


12 posted on 10/11/2009 8:40:24 AM PDT by SandWMan ( I'm still trying to find the section in the Constitution that mentions "nation building".......)
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To: Sub-Driver

“Opponents say the laws lifting bans erode local property rights and undermine the autonomy of private communities.”

Oh the irony.


13 posted on 10/11/2009 8:41:21 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: Sub-Driver

Where’s the outcry against large, flat screen TVs? They’re the real energy wasters.


14 posted on 10/11/2009 8:42:01 AM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Its funny to hear people denounce the Left's protection of a property right. We live in a Bizarro World, alright!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

15 posted on 10/11/2009 8:43:21 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Sub-Driver

My mom used to put the laundry out to dry, except winter. Nothing was soft but it saved on electricity. My parents were afraid of returning poverty. The old tree still has the crease from the clothes line it enveloped.


16 posted on 10/11/2009 8:45:17 AM PDT by egannacht (Vote YES for statism: Why burden yourself with civic duty when Idol and Oprah are on?)
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To: JavaJumpy
Where’s the outcry against large, flat screen TVs? They’re the real energy wasters.

Didn't California outlaw flat screen TV sets larger than a certain size for that reason? I know the bill was introduced into the California legislature a few months ago but lost track whether it passed and was signed by the governor.

Jack

17 posted on 10/11/2009 8:47:09 AM PDT by JackOfVA
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“Reporting from Sacramento - Concerned that the growing popularity of big-screen televisions could make it harder for California to keep pace with electricity demand, state energy regulators are poised to crack down on energy-guzzling sets despite opposition from a powerful electronics trade group.

The first-in-the-nation TV efficiency standards would require electronics retailers to sell only energy-sipping models starting in 2011. Even tougher efficiency criteria would follow in 2013.

The California Energy Commission is slated to unveil the new standards today, followed by a 45-day public comment period. The commission is expected to approve the measure in early November”

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-bigtvs18-2009sep18,0,1102526.story


18 posted on 10/11/2009 8:51:11 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: egannacht

One of my jobs when i was a kid was to bring the clothes in from the clothes line. I loved the way they smelled. Clothes lines are good!


19 posted on 10/11/2009 8:55:00 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: JavaJumpy
"Where’s the outcry against large, flat screen TVs? They’re the real energy wasters."

http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/tv-consumption-chart/

"Samsung HL-S5679W 56" 149.85 Watts"

As I write this i am sitting next to a table lamp with a 3-way bulb. At the moment I have it set on "High", 150 watts.

Now, if I can just get someone to trade the lamp for a Samsung HL-S5679W 56" flat screen TV, I can say that I have "gone green" and saved energy!

20 posted on 10/11/2009 8:55:09 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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