[Clara Lou]

And we talked about how he was very, very mean, very bossy.
Imagine that-- the commander of a ship sailing to the edge of the known world, full of men who are becoming frightened and mutinous, being bossy and mean. I'm shocked. Really I am.

[PapaBear3625]

Imagine that-- the commander of a ship sailing to the edge of the known world, full of men who are becoming frightened and mutinous, being bossy and mean.

If Columbus had not been strong-willed, then the expedition would never have embarked, or would have turned back before reaching the Americas.