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Judge Carter Ruling on MTD
scribd ^ | 10/29/09 | Judge Carter

Posted on 10/29/2009 10:19:10 AM PDT by Elderberry

Judge Carter Ruling on MTD


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: article2section1; birthcertificate; birthers; carter; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; nbc; obama; obamaisfafraud; obamathugs; orly; orlytaitz; romney4obama; romneyantigop; romneybotshere; romneybotsvsbirthers
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JB Williams

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

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Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.

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But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.

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Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.

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Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.

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WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.

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DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.

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A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..

Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

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A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:

Dr. Orly has put her life’s blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.

Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.

She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obama’s inelgibility!

She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880

Sure, Dr. Orly makes mistakes. We all do. But Dr. Orly is no dummy. How many of us could go to a foreign country, learn 5 languages, establish a successful dental practice, a successful real estate business AND pass the California state bar- one of the hardest in the U.S. to pass?
She may be a ‘mail order’ attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!
The point is; she has the passion, the zeal, the courage of her convictions and the love of America and its freedoms (unlike many of our ‘great’ attorneys and ‘patriots’ who criticize her) that will not let her give up!
She is exhausted. She is nervous. She is frustrated. It is reported that she gets by on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and her family is very worried about her health- as well as her safety.
She makes mistakes. But she will NOT give up. She will keep on until she gets it right.

So let’s get behind this great little Russian refugee and great American patriot.
Stop tearing her apart. The Obots don’t need our help.
The obots are scared to death of this little lady and her determination. That’s why they come out in droves all over the net on forums, chat rooms and even the national news to attack and ridicule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcChG5pRTOE&feature=player_embedded

Please visit Dr. Orly’s website. Don’t be influenced by Obots.
Do what you can to help her.


301 posted on 10/29/2009 1:42:03 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: scgator
All of us were lied to about Obama's qualifications, we were told he was qualified,

Not true!

We were many here up in arms about his ineligibility before the election!!

The Clintons were the very first "Birthers"!!!

302 posted on 10/29/2009 1:42:54 PM PDT by danamco
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To: OldDeckHand
That's a joke, right? It's on PACER.

Not everyone has access to PACER. I was just asking a legitimate question.

303 posted on 10/29/2009 1:43:26 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SaraJohnson

Be warned about feeding t....!!!


304 posted on 10/29/2009 1:46:10 PM PDT by danamco
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To: patriot08
She may be a ‘mail order’ attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!

That's going to change pretty soon if she keeps up her antics.

305 posted on 10/29/2009 1:46:10 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: SaraJohnson

Orly is her own worst enemy. She has set herself up for what ever comes her way.


306 posted on 10/29/2009 1:46:47 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: danamco

“Is it more important to YOU as to looking good in the eyes of the SRM, or to uphold and defending the Constitution, I’m just asking a simple question???”

Upholding and defending the Constitution does not require anyone to continuously make the kind of statements Taitz puts forth that are shown to be innacurate at best over and over again.

How does criticizing her lack of professionalism and her behavior, which have IMO led to this becoming viewed as a “fringe issue” and to it being summarily dismissed, somehow mean we are supporting Obama?

To me it means I am voicing my concern that she has taken a righteous issue and turned it into something no one will bother to look at now. It makes it that much easier for our well founded complaints against Obama to be ignored as just more of the same. And well, that p*sses me off.


307 posted on 10/29/2009 1:46:49 PM PDT by Prof. Jorgen
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To: Drew68
Orly Taitz and her lickspittles are an embarrassment to conservatives. She got the smackdown she deserved.

This has nothing to do w/conservatism - it's the country! Stop the crap already. Besides - what the hell do you care about conservatives?

She didn't get a smackdown, learn to f'n read! You are too wee wee'd up to comprehend!
308 posted on 10/29/2009 1:46:52 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: curiosity
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Shoveling sh*t for the DNC

310 posted on 10/29/2009 1:48:36 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: MHGinTN; Lurking Libertarian; Jim Robinson

LL - correct me if I’m wrong on what you were stating, please. You and I don’t agree on this issue very often at ALL, but I think I understand what you are getting at here, and I don’t think the polling data is what you meant, is it?

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Actually as far as any candidate with their name on enough ballots to POSSIBLY win would make sense, would it not? If the courts uphold the “only candidates have standing” premise, then LL would be right that the courts would most likely make the distinction as well that only candidates with their name on the ballot in enough states to win in the Electoral College would have standing...

I’m not saying I agree that these are the only people who SHOULD have standing on this issue, or that there are not perhaps other avenues to persue... Just that if we are following the judges’ commentary in their decisions on these cases, this IS what we are left with. And, we’re not talking about a “chance of winning based on polling”, we’re talking about being on enough state ballots (regardless of polling results in those states) to have a chance of winning.

IOW, the Libertarian (or Green, or Constitution Party, etc...) Candidate would have standing if they get ballot access in 2012 in enough states to be a viable candidate.

Now, on a STATE level, this might be different. I would think in some states the issue could be brought before the state courts regarding proof of eligibility if it cannot be satisfied by the Sec’y of State who certifies the names on the ballots themselves. Different states have different laws regarding major and minor parties and such, so there may be an opportunity in one state for a candidate that is not available in another state.

Again, I don’t think this is our ONLY option left at this point... Just that I don’t think LL was saying what you are thinking he’s saying in this one case. :)


311 posted on 10/29/2009 1:48:45 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: SaraJohnson

A plaintiff can’t file a lawsuit simply to obtain discovery - a plaintiff must seek some sort of relief (whether it is monetary or injunctive). In this case, the Plaintiffs sought an injunction, which the judge (rightly) concluded he did not have the power to grant. A court may not hear a lawsuit if it is not within the judge’s power to grant the relief sought by the plaintiff. If the court cannot hear the lawsuit, discovery cannot proceed.

It is not the role of the judicial system to “allow discovery and refer [matters] to Congress for action or inaction.”


312 posted on 10/29/2009 1:49:25 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: El Gato
The order seems to indicate that it doesn't matter.

I disagree. I think Judge Carter believes that third-party candidates potentially have standing. But he also makes it clear that not every person who says they're running for president would or should meet the criteria. He specifically states that Keyes's claims of damages were so speculative, given his minute fraction of a single percent of the vote, that his claims of standing could not be supported.

Am I correct in understanding that the 9th Circuit must take the appeal?

The appeal is made to the 9th Circuit. They don't have to take it.

313 posted on 10/29/2009 1:49:53 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: OldDeckHand

What will happens if the Hawaiian “door” flips right open then???


314 posted on 10/29/2009 1:50:09 PM PDT by danamco
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To: SaraJohnson
All he had to do was allow discovery and refer it to Congress for action or inaction.

Exactly how does that work?

315 posted on 10/29/2009 1:51:07 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: presently no screen name; Drew68
"She didn't get a smackdown, learn to f'n read!"

When the judge takes two-plus pages to address the conduct of plaintiff's counsel using phrases like unethical and "deeply disturbing", that IS a smack-down. There's no other way to describe it.

316 posted on 10/29/2009 1:51:11 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: LibertyRocks
If you had been following this all along you would know that Hawaii has produced COLBs for KNOWN foreigners during the time period in question.

Really? COLBs that listed Hawaiian birth places? Please, show me one. Every time I've asked for that claim to be substantiated, the person making it has dodged the question.

A Hawaiian COLB does NOT prove date or place of birth

Sorry, that's just a lie:

"Certifications of Live Birth ... are official government records documenting an individual’s birth."

(http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl)

Instead he spends 1.7 MILLION+ to keep ALL of his documents secret?

Oh, and while you're at it, why don't you provide a reliable source for that?
317 posted on 10/29/2009 1:51:45 PM PDT by BigGuy22
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To: MHGinTN

Now, silly, don’t argue with things I didn’t say, and don’t make yourself look foolish with dumb invective.

I never said that Judge Carter saw Obama’s COLB; I have no reason to believe he did.

My point was that if an official Hawaiian Birth Certificate was ever requested as evidence, a Certification of Live Birth would be sufficient. The talk of a “long form” is just puffery as far as presidential eligibility is concerned.


318 posted on 10/29/2009 1:51:47 PM PDT by BigGuy22
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To: lucysmom
The "mob" in this case is Orly and her followers.

Do you mind explain that in more details???

319 posted on 10/29/2009 1:52:12 PM PDT by danamco
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To: MHGinTN
"You arrogant ass"

If there's anyone I have ever seen who should be an expert on asses, it's you. You're at the top of the ass fiefdom.

320 posted on 10/29/2009 1:52:49 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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