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To: J. Neil Schulman
"He wouldn’t have opened fire in the first place if he knew armed soldiers in the room would immediately shoot back."

Then arm every man woman & child under the same logic.

I say we isolate the Islamocists. We did something like this in WWII with the Japanese because we did not know if they were going to do something or not. If they don't like the isolation (until the war is over in 25 years), let them leave the country. Otherwise, you are inviting the trouble from every kook ball that gets mad at the traffic. One guy here in AZ just drove up to the photo radar car and shot the attendant through the window. He was mad at photo radar. So, is this better?

27 posted on 11/09/2009 1:49:09 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Dutchboy88 wrote:
“’He wouldn’t have opened fire in the first place if he knew armed soldiers in the room would immediately shoot back.’

Then arm every man woman & child under the same logic.

I say we isolate the Islamocists. We did something like this in WWII with the Japanese because we did not know if they were going to do something or not. If they don’t like the isolation (until the war is over in 25 years), let them leave the country. Otherwise, you are inviting the trouble from every kook ball that gets mad at the traffic. One guy here in AZ just drove up to the photo radar car and shot the attendant through the window. He was mad at photo radar. So, is this better?”

Even the Supreme Court found that Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s detention of American citizens of Japanese descent was unconstitutional. That you would recommend that makes me think you’re as much of a fascist as FDR.

The American solution is to let a free people defend themselves — and that certainly applies to the American army.

As for your traffic-light incident, for each of these there are ten times as many cases where a defensive gun use saved a life or stopped a crime. You must be reading only the Brady campaigns lying anti-gun propaganda.


36 posted on 11/09/2009 4:09:27 PM PST by J. Neil Schulman
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To: Dutchboy88
Then arm every man woman & child under the same logic.

I'm with you 66% on that one. A bit more if you're including safety-conscious "children" like my 13-year-old cousin who bagged his first deer, with the gun he owns and shoots almost daily, at the age of nine.

But certainly, every adult of sound mind.

38 posted on 11/09/2009 4:38:49 PM PST by ExGeeEye (P.U.M.A.--BC/BG!)
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To: Dutchboy88

“Then arm every man woman & child under the same logic.”

Then ALLOW THE INDIVIDUAL CHOICE OF armS TO every man woman & EMANCIPATED child under the same logic OF NATURAL LAW.

There, fixed. If people don’t choose to arm themselves for their own defense when they aren’t constrained, then they are no smarter than tree huggers who go into bear country with nothing more to shoot than a camera. SELF defense is not delegatable. But those who optionally-disarmed the victims created the environment where a single shooter could be highly effective. The criminal is at fault, but his effectiveness in mayhem is enhanced or inhibited by the official environment.

It is a logical fallacy to argue from the specific to the general (a photoradar inspired murderer is not a reason to change Arizona’s liberal self defense and weapon’s regulations). Millions of kook-balls get mad at traffic everyday with the only damage being to their own blood pressure but that is hardly news.

In general, allowing people to make their own choices regarding their own self reliance and safety is a character building experience, and a military base should be one of the better, safer learning laboratories for creating adults. Something the military might be expected to consistently encourage.

The over reaction by ‘isolation’ of innocent Japanese you cite is a dreadful black mark on our history and was never proven socially or militarily useful, and has been officially repudiated. But that doesn’t negate the argument in the general case that virulent and pathological subcultures such as some gangs, militant Islamism, or inter-generational communists on Medicare might benefit a free society by getting a free cattle-car ride before being treated for lead deficiency.


39 posted on 11/09/2009 9:48:40 PM PST by LibTeeth
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To: Dutchboy88
"One guy here in AZ just drove up to the photo radar car and shot the attendant through the window. He was mad at photo radar."

It is sad and terrible that someone was murdered, but the guy's anger toward the Orwellian camera system is not unusual.

The Orwellian photo-radar system is nothing more than a cash grab, so the guy must have been sick and tired of being ripped off by the Orwellian types that put the camera systems into place.

44 posted on 11/10/2009 8:19:33 AM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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