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Is It Possible the Wrong Guy Was Sworn In on NY-23 ?
NRO ^ | November 11, 2009 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 11/12/2009 7:55:18 AM PST by RobinMasters

Boy, if this recanvassing comes out with a big surge of votes for Doug Hoffman, a whole lot of post-election analyses are going to have to be rewritten: "A recanvassing in the 11-county district shows that Owens’ lead has narrowed to 3,026 votes over Hoffman, 66,698 to 63,672, according to the latest unofficial results from the state Board of Elections.

In Oswego County, where Hoffman was reported to lead by only 500 votes with 93 percent of the vote counted election night, inspectors found Hoffman actually won by 1,748 votes — 12,748 to 11,000. The new vote totals mean the race will be decided by absentee ballots, of which about 10,200 were distributed, said John Conklin, communications director for the state Board of Elections."

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1 posted on 11/12/2009 7:55:19 AM PST by RobinMasters
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Ping.


2 posted on 11/12/2009 7:55:43 AM PST by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters
What were some popular Democrat slogans during past elections?

"We must not overturn the will of the People."

"Every vote must count."

-PJ

3 posted on 11/12/2009 7:58:06 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (Every child will be a natural born criminal until their parents add them to their health care plan.)
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To: RobinMasters

was the final vote certified?


4 posted on 11/12/2009 7:58:41 AM PST by scooby321
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To: RobinMasters
Doug Hoffmann was an idiot. You never concede a close election until a recount is done. He lawyer could have told him to wait. The vote on the health care bill this past weekend might have gone very differently if Owens wasn't sworn in time for the vote.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

5 posted on 11/12/2009 7:59:48 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: RobinMasters

You mean Hoffman may have really won the election?


6 posted on 11/12/2009 8:00:07 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: scooby321

An article I just read said that it had NOT been certified.


7 posted on 11/12/2009 8:00:12 AM PST by queenkathy (Pray 4 Josh... www.carepages.com ( joshuaourwarrior) brain injury from allergy shot)
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To: scooby321

I think that’s what is going on now.


8 posted on 11/12/2009 8:00:12 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: scooby321
No. But with Hoffmann's preemptive concession it doesn't matter now.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

9 posted on 11/12/2009 8:00:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I agree.


10 posted on 11/12/2009 8:00:49 AM PST by Jagdgewehr (B. Hussein Obama is not the legitimate POTUS. He is nothing more than America's largest cult leader)
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To: RobinMasters

Those morons or miscreants who cast a vote for Scozzabean on the ballot could have put Hoffman over the top if just 1/2 of them voted for him instead. Maddenning isn’t it.
Owens lied about his healthcare vote so hit him hard with it
at next years election.


11 posted on 11/12/2009 8:02:09 AM PST by tflabo
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To: RobinMasters

Thanks for posting this. I hadn’t seen it before.


12 posted on 11/12/2009 8:02:15 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: goldstategop

I didn’t hear any of his speeches or interviews, but from what I’ve heard it sounds as if he’s an honest and decent guy, with the right principles, but no political experience and evidently very little political smarts.

Yes, prying the Democrat out of congress is not going to be easy, even if it turns out that Hoffman won. Instead of having an empty seat while they fight it out in court, they will have a Democrat seat, which will certainly mean that unlimited money from the DNC will flow in to protect that seat in the courts.


13 posted on 11/12/2009 8:03:20 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: scooby321

No, the final vote wasn’t certified. However, when Hoffman conceded, that was sufficient for Pelosi to swear in Owens.


14 posted on 11/12/2009 8:03:23 AM PST by bw17
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To: goldstategop
"No. But with Hoffmann's preemptive concession it doesn't matter now."

Didn't Gore rescind his concession?

Maybe there is still time!!

15 posted on 11/12/2009 8:03:24 AM PST by LADY J (Change your thoughts and you change your world. - Norman Vincent Peale)
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To: RobinMasters

Very interesting.


16 posted on 11/12/2009 8:03:41 AM PST by Infidel Heather (In God I trust, not the Government.)
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To: goldstategop
No. But with Hoffmann's preemptive concession it doesn't matter now.

Just remind the Dems of Gore's concession take-back in 2000.

17 posted on 11/12/2009 8:03:48 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: goldstategop

so Hoffman has the right to cast the final vote for the opponent? I wouldn’t think there was anything legal about that at all.


18 posted on 11/12/2009 8:04:12 AM PST by tioga
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To: RobinMasters
I'm not holding my breath, but wouldn't this be fabulous? How many pious lectures have we heard about the real lesson of NY23 is that the GOP needs to be a big tent, 'moderate' infested mirror of the democrat party?
19 posted on 11/12/2009 8:04:39 AM PST by bobsatwork
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To: scooby321

No and I do not know how they can sware someone in when the vote has not been certified.


20 posted on 11/12/2009 8:04:47 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: RobinMasters

It also seems to be close to recount thresholds (usually under 1%)


21 posted on 11/12/2009 8:04:50 AM PST by mnehring
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To: goldstategop

I just read on another thread that his concession is meaningless if he actually won.


22 posted on 11/12/2009 8:05:20 AM PST by Kenny
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To: queenkathy

We have a couple of seats in Erie county that aren’t final yet. I don’t understand that all absentee votes aren’t counted by now. There are only 700 in the district I’m watching and the “new person” was only behind by 180 votes in a close race!


23 posted on 11/12/2009 8:05:33 AM PST by RebelTXRose
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To: tioga

Hope by some miracle of the absentee ballots that Hoffman wins the majority of votes. Let’s see the ‘Rats squirm with that one!


24 posted on 11/12/2009 8:05:55 AM PST by tflabo
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To: queenkathy
An article I just read said that it had NOT been certified.

If that's the case, was Pelosi swearing Owens in illegal and did he cast an illegal vote on Healthcare (one vote won't make a difference in overall tally but it could be worth a call to do something about Pelosi and possibly revote).

25 posted on 11/12/2009 8:06:23 AM PST by mnehring
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To: goldstategop
No. But with Hoffmann's preemptive concession it doesn't matter now.

Is that really true? If so, why are they continuing to count votes?

Of course, in any case, if he'd used the 'Rat playbook, he would not have conceded, and Pelosi's Obamacare margin would have been one vote thinner.

26 posted on 11/12/2009 8:06:24 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: goldstategop
The vote on the health care bill this past weekend might have gone very differently if Owens wasn't sworn in time for the vote.

And regardless of how a recount might eventually turn out, Hoffman could have prevented Owens' from casting that vote.

Hoffman's advisors must have been as clueless as he was.

27 posted on 11/12/2009 8:07:17 AM PST by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: queenkathy
"An article I just read said that it had NOT been certified."

If it hasn't been certified, was it legal to swear Owens in?

28 posted on 11/12/2009 8:10:06 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: goldstategop

And why would that be? A concession just means that the candidate has realized that there’s likely no way that they can win, so they “bow out”. It has no legal ramifications whatsoever.


29 posted on 11/12/2009 8:11:09 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Now fully qualified to receive the Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: RobinMasters

the intrigue deepens, local Democrat election officials and local pro-Scozzafava Republican officials had every motivation to conspire in a plot to deny Hoffman a victory...


30 posted on 11/12/2009 8:12:43 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: goldstategop
new vote totals mean the race will be decided by absentee ballots, of which about 10,200 were distributed

The Dhimmicrats will move to the courts to eliminate the counting of the absentee ballots, citing Hoffman's concession. Arguing that since he's conceded, it is a waste of resources ($$$) to count the absentees.

31 posted on 11/12/2009 8:14:17 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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To: Mojave

How could he have prevented Owens from casting that vote? Keep in mind that a concession is just a tradition with absolutely no legal bearing.


32 posted on 11/12/2009 8:14:51 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Now fully qualified to receive the Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: goldstategop

Doug Hoffmann was an idiot.

He should not have conceded so fast. I can give him some pass on not having good campaign advise because the DAMN RNC hurt him at every step when they should have been helping this guy and at least should have had him some good advisors on hand on election night (when they were supposedly FINALLY on board with him).

Its just another good reason to keep the money away from the RNC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


33 posted on 11/12/2009 8:15:31 AM PST by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: Mojave

OMG...........YOU are on this thread stating something remotely positive about Hoffman?

Now I have seen it all, Lord, you can take me now..........

;^)


34 posted on 11/12/2009 8:16:04 AM PST by tioga
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To: RobinMasters

bump


35 posted on 11/12/2009 8:17:33 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Keep your dog. Get rid of a Liberal.)
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To: Mojave

Hoffman’s advisors must have been as clueless as he was.

That’s about the only post you have ever had that I have some agreement with, DEDEmojave.


36 posted on 11/12/2009 8:20:20 AM PST by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: RobinMasters

From the article:

“Conklin said the state sent a letter to the House Clerk last week explaining that no winner had been determined in the 23rd District, and therefore the state had not certified the election. But the letter noted that Owens still led by about 3,000 votes, and that the special election was not contested — two factors that legally allowed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to swear in Owens on Friday.”

Sworn in legally. I guess this means that no matter who actually wins the day of the health care vote will stand as is, as Owens was “legally” sworn in.

On another note, what clear thinking individual (this leaves out the left) is actually surprised by this turn of events?


37 posted on 11/12/2009 8:25:21 AM PST by mark3681
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To: goldstategop

Agreed.


38 posted on 11/12/2009 8:26:49 AM PST by DavidAccord
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To: RobinMasters

Well now. Isn’t this interesting? No certification, no office. The Dems will be printing absentee ballots all night long. BTT.


39 posted on 11/12/2009 8:27:23 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
Keep in mind that a concession is just a tradition with absolutely no legal bearing.

Al Gore proved that when he conceded and then back off that concession.

40 posted on 11/12/2009 8:28:05 AM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

See 37


41 posted on 11/12/2009 8:31:16 AM PST by mark3681
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To: mnehring
If that's the case, was Pelosi swearing Owens in illegal and did he cast an illegal vote on Healthcare (one vote won't make a difference in overall tally but it could be worth a call to do something about Pelosi and possibly revote).

YES! YES! YES! This scenario is at the top of my Christmas list, Nancy.

42 posted on 11/12/2009 8:32:18 AM PST by Faith
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To: goldstategop
The vote on the health care bill this past weekend might have gone very differently if Owens wasn't sworn in time for the vote.

How so? 220 to 215. With Hoffman, 219 to 216. Even with Cao not jumping it would have been 218 to 217. Plus, Nazi Pelosi undoubtedly released "Blue Dog" rats to vote no since she didn't need their vote.

43 posted on 11/12/2009 8:34:36 AM PST by Chet 99
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To: goldstategop
No. But with Hoffmann's preemptive concession it doesn't matter now.

You don't think Owens would "do the right thing" and step aside so the will of the people will prevail?

44 posted on 11/12/2009 8:34:40 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: RobinMasters

From the article linked at Drudge :
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/its_not_over_recanvassing_shows_ny23_race.html

John Conklin communications director for the state Board of Elections said this :

“We sent a letter to the clerk laying out the totals,” Conklin said.
“The key is that Hoffman conceded, which means the race is not contested. However, all ballots will be counted,
and if the result changes,

Owens will have to be removed.”


45 posted on 11/12/2009 8:36:20 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: neverdem

verrry interesting ping


46 posted on 11/12/2009 8:37:39 AM PST by tioga
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

“Owens will have to be removed.” Wow, how wild would that be. Still unlikely though.

Besides Gore there was one other very public case where a winner conceded. Gov Jim Rhodes in OH in 1974 as I recall. He was slightly behind on election night but late returns showed him actually pulling ahead by a tiny margin. He made some joke about conceding, but he was actually sworn in for another term.


47 posted on 11/12/2009 8:44:44 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

How can Owens be “removed” if the vote hasn’t been certified yet?

Did he get sworn in anyway?


48 posted on 11/12/2009 8:48:47 AM PST by airborne (As long as Muslims are a "protected species", all Americans are an "endangered species".)
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To: RobinMasters

What exactly is recanvassing? Simply recounting the votes?


49 posted on 11/12/2009 8:49:10 AM PST by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: LADY J

I doubt there is any rule, law or whatever that says the final certified vote count result is trumped by a concession speech.

But even if there is, Hoffman needs to take this to court. If nothing else it will create another negative for the Demrats and Onada. Of course, the morally correct thing for the demrat to do, if it turns out he actually lost, is to remove himself from the scene. Any bets on that happening?


50 posted on 11/12/2009 8:54:53 AM PST by dools007
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