The Criminal charges of “Conspiracy and Fraud” are served against Nancy Pelosi

American Grand Jury ^ | November 18, 2009

[Fractal Trader]

ping — maybe??

[fr_freak]

What a joke. Like some kind of pathetic drumhead trial in a Kevin Costner apocalypse movie.

Assuming you are a conservative and a patriot, how does it serve your interests in the least to ridicule this effort? Conservatives who do not agree that such a grand jury has any legitimacy need only say that when asked to avoid being lumped in with them. You don't have to participate. You don't have to support them. You don't even have to agree with them. Their actions cannot affect your status as a conservative if you don't want them to.

So what reason would you have to ridicule them? At worst, they fail and fade away. Left wingers make fun of them, but left wingers make fun of the Tea Parties and Town Hall meetings as well, so why worry about left wing ridicule? At best, they have some level of success, either in bringing attention to the questionable actions of Peloi, Obama, and the other sorry misfits, or by actually succeeding in bringing the issues to court. Win-win for conservatives. Your ridicule only serves the Left in two ways - 1) it adds to the very image you are supposedly trying to avoid - conservatives as "weirdos", 2) it depresses conservative morale and actions.Your best tactic as a conservative would be to be silent and let these people do their thing. Yet here you are, doing the work of the Left simply because you fear what the Left will do.

[Man50D]

If I understand you correctly, your assertion is that if I am not a lawyer then I must be the descendant of a lawyer to understand the subject at hand.

Does that about sum it up?

If you took the time to understand the purpose of the the grand jury as presented at Americangrandjury.org then you would discuss your point of view with well reasoned refutations to buttress your opposing point of view instead reducing yourself to childlike comments such as "My father has 56 years of legal experience and he thinks your father is a poopiehead".

[presently no screen name]

I have made no claim to be speaking FOR “us”. I apologize for not being simple enough for you to comprehend.

You most certainly have! And here are a few examples from your posts...

1. kind of stuff that makes us look like a bunch of weirdos.
2. No, I will use “us”.
3. Ours is as much a battle for the hearts........
4. so yes, we do need to be concerned with what others think.

[Nik Naym]

“...instead reducing yourself to childlike comments such as “My father has 56 years of legal experience and he thinks your father is a poopiehead”.”

You sir, now owe me an apology.

I never made any such comment.

[LucyT]

Isn't this a lovely sentence:

The Criminal charges of “Conspiracy and Fraud” are served against Nancy Pelosi in US District Court, Nashville, Tennessee.

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[Nik Naym]

None of the examples you cite are examples of me speaking FOR us.

Try again?

[presently no screen name]

Are you denying what you wrote in your own posts?

[fr_freak]

Actually that monopoly is the definition of what a government is. In the revolution the states were sovereign and would have hanged anybody in a 'citizen grand jury'.

Nope, not according to American governmental philosophy. The government serves at the will of the people, and therefore never does the government have a monopoly on the legitimate use of force, from a moral and philosophical standpoint. In other words, we, as citizens, voluntarily agree that we'll place the legitimacy of force in the government's hands as long as t is a legitimate government. Once we determine that it is no longer a legitimate government, then the moral authority remains with the people, who then may use force to rebel. Basic Declaration of Independence type of stuff.

In the Revolution, the States were not sovereign - the Crown was. The Americans rebelled against the Crown and once they won, then the States became sovereign, but only because the citizens took the mantle of legitimacy away from the Crown and gave it to the State governments, and to some extent the federal government, but with specific restrictions.

[crosstimbers]

November 6th, the day the Grand Jury charges were filed, is the same day that both Paul Tsukiyama, Director of the Office of Information Practices in Hawaii resigned (his office oversees the public complaints regarding the Hawaii Dept of Health) and also Cassandra Butts, Harvard classmate of Obama, resigned from her post under Greg Craig.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2389594/posts

[Nik Naym]

“Are you denying what you wrote in your own posts?”

No.

I am denying that you comprehend what I said.

[Man50D]

You sir, now owe me an apology.

I never made any such comment

You're right! You have my apology for misquoting you. Please substitute that quote with your quote from post #3 "This is the kind of stuff that makes us look like a bunch of weirdos. That's not any less childlike than the other quote.

[I see my hands]

"I have expressed my opinion.."

I have a few opinions too. Only one of which is you should imagine what the others are. You're welcome.

[Nik Naym]

“You have my apology for misquoting you”

That was not a misquote. A misquote would be if you scrambled up words that I said. Those were another persons words altogether.

That being said, I accept your apology in the spirit for which I believe it was genuinely intended.

“This is the kind of stuff that makes us look like a bunch of weirdos.”

This I did say and I stand by it.

It is not childish. It is my opinion of the effect these kinds of threads have on the reputation of “Freepers” and Free Republic.

[presently no screen name]

I am denying that you comprehend what I said.

Are you saying I don't comprehend what 'us' and 'we' means?

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Once we determine that it is no longer a legitimate government

We determine this through the electoral or legislative processes or through violent democratic revolution, not through a private club bringing criminal charges. That is the way the Jacobin Club ran the French Revolution.

[Nik Naym]

“Are you saying I don’t comprehend what ‘us’ and ‘we’ means?”

Understanding the meaning of individual words is a great first step to literacy.

The next step is learning to understand the meaning of sentences. Then one can begin to grasp the concept of context.

[Melas]

Oh I understand the grand jury process well enough to understand that this is going nowhere. Do you want to bet differently?

[presently no screen name]

Backtracking and blaming others that they don’t understand - so VERY LIBERAL and void of character!

You exposed yourself.

[fr_freak]

We determine this through the electoral or legislative processes or through violent democratic revolution, not through a private club bringing criminal charges. That is the way the Jacobin Club ran the French Revolution.

This would just be a grand jury indictment, not a conviction with a sentence. These people are not convicting Pelosi and the other commies of anything. They are merely presenting charges which the "legitimate" court system would have to address, so I think the French Revolution comparison is hardly fitting. They are simply doing the job that our corrupt judiciary/law enforcement refuse to do, kind of like the illegal aliens.