Posted on 11/21/2009 4:24:18 PM PST by indianrightwinger
I would think the GOP would need a veto proof majority in both houses with Obama in office .. ? .. !
As a wise man (my father) once said...
THROW THE BUMS OUT!!!
It’s not just Nelson, Landrieu, Lieberman and Lincoln, it’s Bayh, McCaskill, Dorgan, Pryor, Warner, Webb and maybe even Feinstein and Bill Nelson.
That’s not how it works. They need 60 votes for cloture—i.e., to stop debating. The so-called nuclear option refers to reconciliation which needs only 51 votes. But that’s not going to happen. Nobody on the left wants it—it would wreck the package. They want the structure intact even more than they want the public option.
You are so right — Let the games begin.
I heard that during the debate she stated it was $300 million for her constituents... AND SAID SHE WAS NOT ASHAMED OF THE BRIBE BUT **PROUD**
ha ha - we'll see about that in 2010...
They can’t even get thier own party members to vote on this crap without having to use AMERICAN TAX PAYER MONIES to extort thier vote. This is the drek we now have in Washington. Shameless, arrogant, decietful, despicable, subhumans. Their confidence is sickening. Thier vote is thier ticket home!
Just by reading the headline I assumed that the Dems can’t read. They didn’t read the crap-n-traitor bill either.
You are correct but even the RATS realize it has to be paid for and they can't get the funds shuffled, borrowed or printed fast enough to pull it off that quick. There is a chance to stop this but it's kind of difficult if the representatives are going shove this through for our own good and their re-election bids be damned.
If the new Congress doesn’t, the States should.
If the States won’t, the People must...
If The democrats get 60 out of 100 votes tonight then the bill will go to the floor where in my estimation it is virtually assured of passing into law. I know all Democrats know this to be true that once they pass it tonight it will become law.
All Democrat senators will be voting yes to pass this bill tonight , voting yes for tyranny, voting against freedom, voting yes for 2000 pages of more private sector killing government bureaucracy and government regulations.
The fact that not even one democrat will vote to kill this Marxist monstrosity shows that Democrats are Marxists, shows how evil the democrats are and that democrats are the real threat to the American people.
In contrast ,Tonight, all Republican senators, all 40 of them , 100% of them ( 100% is perfection) will vote to kill this socialist bill.All Republicans will vote against socialism, against tyranny ,against bigger government , against government healtcare.All Republicans will vote yes for freedom/capitalism/prosperity. Tonight in the biggest vote EVER.We see where each party lines up: to destroy America or to keep it alive. Now the democrats with their near filibuster proof Senate take off their sheeps' clothes and you see the ravenous wolves underneath( well I hope you see how evil they are now?).
God bless every Republican Senator for they are all perfectly voting to preserve the Republic , for America , and for freedom. All democrats tonight are voting to destroy America .
All Democrats are voting for socialism which will make American people starving slaves of the government.
This bill never had a chance to pass during the 12 years Republicans controlled Congress. Neither did Amnesty, the fairness doctrine, net neutrality , cap and trade have a chance to pass in the Republican controlled Congress.Democrats will pass all of these marxist bills And they will do it without any Republican help and against the will of the American people as they are doing the big one tonight.But you are saying the parties are the same.
I disagree with you.I don't want to hear again how the parties are the same as tonight all democrats are voting for socialism and all Republicans are voting against socialism . You can keep saying what you want( that the parties are the same) since you have freedom of speech . But I think that depresses conservative voter turnout and did help the Democrats achieve their filibuster proof Congress.So all of you that stayed home and didn't vote and propagandized against the GOP,saying they are the same as these satanic, Marxist , villains the Democrats, all of you that didn't donate to the GOP, all of you who did all this in my opinion are as guilty as the Democrats for the passing of this bill that will happen tonight which is the first step in turning the U.S. toward socialism. Socialism will make the American people starving slaves of the government.
I am interested in how China, the dollar, and gold vote on this in the upcoming weeks.
Good post.
Given that the taxes and penalties start now, and the program rolls out in about 4 years, seems like we’re back to the old “taxation without representation” gig...
Just remember the names of the tyrannical elitists who voted to put YOU in jail...
What we are going to get as a final bill is a trigger public option or trigger co-op which also means that socialized medicine is dead because triggers never work in reality.
The $100 million Mary Landrieu got is not all.
I’m sure this Marxist villain has pocketed a good bit of the Hurricane Katrina money, the $700 billion dollars that the media,Blanco, and Landrieu begged and stole from the rest of America. I don’t see where that money went. I am in New Orleans and the levees are not built up to where they need to be , roads are terrible, no coastal restoration and the coast keeps encroaching on New Orleans. I, like the New Orleans East Vietnamese community recieved no government money as we didn’t ask for any.
Who said it would never get this far? It was never a question of whether it would be debated. Senators Kyl and DeMint claim voting for procedural clotures assures passage of most bills—which is true but beside the point. This is not like most other bills. This is revolutionary—and huge—and it’s opposed by much of the country. No way some moderates won’t oppose this. But they need to give it a hearing first—to show solidarity with their leader.
Check the intrade percentage. Only 3.9% believe it’ll pass. That’s ridiculously low.
>> This bill never had a chance to pass during the 12 years Republicans controlled Congress.
Wrong.
A bill similar in principle and effect if not magnitude most certainly did pass during the first Bush term, under very similar conditions, rammed through in both the senate and the house by big government country club Republicans.
Or don’t you recall the Prescription Drug fiasco, and its floor drama in the House, in 2003? The arm-twisting, the holding the vote open until the big-government republicans could eke out enough votes?
Big government country club Republicans gave us Obama.
Never again will I vote for a man or woman *simply* because they have an (R) by their name.
NEVER AGAIN.
I learned my lesson with John McCain, who I voted for and contributed money to.
NEVER AGAIN
No, the folks here get it or at least most of them. Most are just saying that by allowing it to come to the floor for debate that the RATS will win. They can force a vote with a nuclear option of only 51 votes to end any filibustering. Then another 51 votes to pass the legislation. This gives 9 RAT Senators the ability to run for cover.
“That $100 million is not just a SIMPLE BRIBE - ITS BLOOD MONEY!!!”
With OUR money!!!!!!!!
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