Aw, come on lymelady, these "people" the Democrats are Marxists. They will do that and more, mark my words. Don't you hear these blank staring liberals preaching about how they have to save the planet from global warming ? And they are saying this lie about the global warming hoax and other media lies during the coldest year in a long time.
lymelady said:
"Democrats do not as a whole see themselves as socialists, and that is precisely the problem with socialism. It’s insidious. That is why it’s so hard to fight"
I said: Yes All democrats are socialists whether they see themselves as socialists or not.In fact you are a socialist and I'll prove it below:
lymelady said : " If they cut out a good chunk of it, I’d support it too; heck yeah I want better access to shop around insurance companies, and I might even like it if insurance companies had to take people with pre-existing conditions."
OMG.I cannot believe someone on a conservative forum said that. You are a Marxist. Anyone that believes that the government should be given power to tell private insurance companies who they have to give free services to, is a socialist/Marxist. Look, full Socialism is when the government owns and runs everything and there are no private business. But it is still socialism if you allow the government to run a private businesses also, or to run a part of the business that is so important that it can destroy it.
I'm not trying to call you names. I just call it as I see it. Your ideology and that of liberals , that you believe that it is good to empower government and allow government to run business , create government programs and agencies and to run programs is socialism and it is what is destroying our Republic.
That which you are talking about that government can force private insurance companies to accept dead beats with "pre-existing conditions" who chose not to buy insurance is in there to put private insurance companies out of business. This way no one will pay for insurance until they get sick .When they need a $40,000 heart bypass or other expensive operation these deadbeats will go into the insurance company's office and demand that the insurance company cover them and their operation. The private insurance company would then have to by law have to accept them. Once the insurance company pays for the operation then the dead beat will stop making monthly insurance payments. The result is that there will not be enough people paying insurance regularly to cover the costs the insurance pays out. So that way insurance companies cannot make a profit. As it is with all the government regulations insurance companies make only a 2% profit. Any additional regulations especially this one will definitely put them all out of business then everyone will have to go to the government for healthcare which is the democrats' goal. See?
The reason healthcare is expensive now is because democrats created oppressive government laws that allow frivolous law suits against doctors and hospitals, laws that force hospitals and emergency rooms to treat dead beats like illegals who don't pay for free, so the hospitals have to pass those costs on to us, also medicare and medicaid, laws that dictate what can be covered, laws that don't allow purchase over state lines, and a myriad of other government laws and regulations increase costs .
So it is the repealing of all of these government laws that would allow the free market to lower cost . The government should stay almost completely out of the free market. you see prices coming down, and innovation increasing most rapidly in electronics and computers etc because these industries are less regulated.
I don’t want the government to say they have to give free services to anyone. I’m quite happy with insurance companies being able to charge whatever they want. I’m not happy with government restrictions that make it so I can’t shop around for insurance, and I’m not happy when there is zero insurance available in an area if you have certain pre-existing conditions; of course, if we were allowed to cross state lines on that, people would be able to find plans that would take them and it wouldn’t be an issue. Basically; I’m against current government intrusion on the free market and while they won’t own up to being the ones who put that block in place, part of this bill at one point involved getting rid of some of those blocks. It is a really long bill and it’s possible I misinterpreted that part, but I don’t believe I have since no one on either side denies that.
I’m pretty against most government programs. But I do like that you assume that because I don’t want the government keeping me from buying insurance in certain places based on location, it means I like government programs. That’s some twisted logic there.
Now as for pre-existing conditions, I don’t mind people having to pay more for it. I pay more for my insurance because I have a pre-existing condition. But to be unable to find anyone who will sell you any insurance because you were born with a heart condition or developed cancer out of nowhere or had a heart attack while between insurance plans (and please don’t tell me that a healthy person should rush into any insurance deal at all without taking the time to research companies and policies just to be safe)? That’s not just frustrating, that is a level of life-threatening right there. You sound like Nancy Pelosi justifying jailtime for people who don’t buy insurance; “They’re deadbeats who should have bought insurance but didn’t, so that puts all the burden on us.” It’s easy to get around the “They’ll just stop paying once it’s over” thingy by making these people sign a contract to keep the plan for an amount of time that would protect the insurance companies from this sort of thing; a long term high-expense contract is an incentive to get a cheaper plan while healthy, but allows for individuals to purchase it if they find they need it at a time when they didn’t have a plan already. There are plans offered already for pre-existing conditions, but they’re not available to everyone because of government interference. They are generally more expensive (unless they’re group plans) because of the higher risk.
By the way, the HIPAA regulations are some of the regulations you’re talking about that the “Democrats” put into place that made it difficult for insurance companies, and those passed while Republicans had control of Congress. Does that make them okay and were those Republicans protecting us against government infringement, or was it okay to get rid of the ones who made that possible? The hospitals are also paying for the deadbeats who have pre-existing conditions and can’t get insurance. Something to consider.
Sidenote: When you’re talking to Democrats, don’t forget to leave out that taxing drug companies and medical device makers takes away money from the research done to make medical advances like curing cancer. When a politician makes a big to do about curing AIDS and then supports this bill, he or she is a hypocrite. It’s not just insurance companies and wealthy folks taking a hit on this proposed bill.