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To: SuperLuminal

It can still be stopped—at the next cloture vote. Reid doesnt yet have the votes to pass the bill.


8 posted on 11/21/2009 5:08:26 PM PST by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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To: freespirited

It can still be stopped—at the next cloture vote. Reid doesnt yet have the votes to pass the bill.

Really? It took 60 votes to get it this far, and there were only 3 Dem Senators who had to be bribed...to pass it he needs less, like 50, correct? He can find more bribes to add if he has to, I can assure you.


31 posted on 11/21/2009 7:07:29 PM PST by tinamina
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"It can still be stopped—at the next cloture vote. Reid doesnt yet have the votes to pass the bill. "

That may be so. However, I was really referring to the longer-term future.

Over the past 100 years, almost every initial specific Marxist overture to snatching away freedom has been completely or partially defeated. They really do not care, scrupulously keeping their eye on the bigger ideological picture...and in virtually all cases they have eventually gained their goals through incrementlism and/or compromise.

There is nothing in the behavior of the current GOP hierarchy's genetic political makeup that suggests that, just like the thousands of Marxist-driven laws and regulations already in place through GOP incompetence and cowardice and the serfs ignorance, the Marxist healthcare camel will be denied getting its nose into the tent of the American culture before the 2010 elections.

IAC, just like most of the Marxist ideology that now holds us, however softly, in its grip, the federal courts will step in when needed and provide whatever political victories the Marxists need but cannot get through the Congress or with support of the electorate. Particularly important is the huge increase in federal court judges now being implemented so as to dilute all the circuit courts in order to bring them up to the ideological standards of the Ninth....

Only an absolutely total flush of all the Marxists, both demoncrat and the GOP closet-Marxists, would provide a slight glimmer of hope. IMHO, 2010 is the very last chance at a somewhat fair and honest national election in the U.S.

If we blow this one, there will never be another. We will be faced with, as yet unimagined by the serfs, tyrannical processes and unconstitutional laws that will assure many more terms by obamao and his cronies.

This healthcare weapon is important to those who seek to rule us completely. They can regulate everything we do in our daily existence as a "healthcare matter". More importantly, they can greatly increase the rate at which the older generations (educated before the 1960's takeover of public education by the government and conversion to Fabian-driven indoctrination centers) are disappearing from the scene. This will make imposition of final rule over the brain-washed masses educated in government asylums a very smooth transition. None of those pesky old-timers who are always mumbling and rambling on about stuff like freedom, liberty, individuality, and the Constitution.

History is on my side in this argument...100-years of brilliantly planned incrementalism has now been supplanted by the endgame theorized in the late 1800's.

Sadly to say, to prevent losing this endgame, it is probably as much as 80% certain that "the tree will have to be watered" once more....

36 posted on 11/21/2009 10:04:45 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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