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A Third Theory: CRU Climate Zip File Found Not Stolen
Climate Audit | 11/23/09 | Steve McIntyre

Posted on 11/23/2009 11:19:59 PM PST by vbmoneyspender

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Charles of WUWT offers a new and interesting theory of the file: that the file was not “stolen”, it was “found”.

See here. Charles’ epithet: “Never assume malice where stupidity will do”.

Here’s his scenario.

The collation of files was made by the university in connection with the FOI appeal – an appeal that they were going to thoroughly document because of all the publicity during the summer. They then used the intranet server to share the file among interested parties for the FOI review on Nov 13.

And then between Nov 13 and Nov 17, someone came along and found this astonishing file sitting on the server. Sound impossible?

Read last summer’s posts on the “Mole” at CRU. Phil Jones had refused to provide station data claiming that it was covered by all sorts of confidentiality agreements (though he couldn’t find the agreements and couldn’t remember who they were with.

One day in late July, I discovered that they had left station data versions from 2003 and 1996 on their server – without webpage links but accessible all the same. They were stale versions of the requested data, but this data was supposedly hugely “confidential”. They were just sitting in cyberspace waiting for someone to download.

Charles hypothesizes that that’s what happened here. No hacker, no mole.

This theory could be disproved one way or another by the university’s FOI department. I’m sure that someone will ask them about their role, if any, in compiling the zip file.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climategate; globalwarming

1 posted on 11/23/2009 11:20:00 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

Nah, they wouldn’t have put all their emails out there like that.

These emails were exported from a client. I can’t buy this one, plus they reported it to the police, that would be a false report, no?


2 posted on 11/23/2009 11:26:11 PM PST by dila813
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To: vbmoneyspender

Somewhere there is another file with a folder in it called “FOIB”

If you look at the zip, there is called FOIA.

What do you think this means, of course there is a “B” somewhere.

I have been searching all the ftp sites trying to find a zip file with a folder in it called FOIB. Its out there somewhere, we just need to find it before anyone else.


3 posted on 11/23/2009 11:28:18 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813
FOIA -- Freedom of Information Act? Why would you expect a B?
4 posted on 11/23/2009 11:37:52 PM PST by CedarDave (FOX news:"Fair and balanced (no matter what the White House says) . We report because others won't.")
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To: CedarDave

the Zip was named FOI2009.zip

The folder was FOIA

I don’t think the A stands for Act, otherwise the Zip file would have been FOIA2009.zip

I little deductive reasoning is required here.


5 posted on 11/23/2009 11:41:24 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813
If you Google freedom of information every result refers to the Freedom of Information Act. FOIA is simply the name of the law.
6 posted on 11/23/2009 11:46:54 PM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: CedarDave

We only call it “Act” here in the US. In the UK and Australia it’s just FOI.


7 posted on 11/23/2009 11:47:07 PM PST by Der_Hirnfänger
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To: jwparkerjr

Then why isn’t the file named FOIA2009.zip then?

I think someone separated two directories, A and B, Zipped up A and put it to a server.

B is still out there.

According to reports there should be 100mb out there.


8 posted on 11/23/2009 11:53:34 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

If your theory is correct then why wouldn’t the first file be named FOIAA2009.ZIP and the other FOIAB2009.ZIP?


9 posted on 11/24/2009 12:12:07 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: jwparkerjr

It’s not the file name, it is the folder name

Look at the directory.


10 posted on 11/24/2009 12:15:55 AM PST by dila813
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To: dila813
I think someone separated two directories, A and B, Zipped up A and put it to a server

.I thought the 62mb was the size of the compressed zip file and the un-zipped size was 100mb. But I may be as confused about this as FOI and FOIA.

Then again, someone may have the "B" directory and is waiting until the CRU principals "explain" their way out of the current email/data implications and then the mole/hacker/whistleblower unloads the "B" directory and it's a "Gotcha" moment. We can only hope...

11 posted on 11/24/2009 12:49:46 AM PST by CedarDave (FOX news:"Fair and balanced (no matter what the White House says) . We report because others won't.")
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To: dila813
Ah, OK! Sorry to be so dense. I work every day with hundreds of folders and thousands of file names, all that are unique to my application. It takes me a bit to get out of that mode and into another! Actually, I'm getting to the point in life where I shouldn't even be trying to figure out a file structure other than the one I'm accustomed to.
12 posted on 11/24/2009 1:01:05 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: jwparkerjr

Its alright, There are two people that have analyzed this that are better than me, they both said that there is 100mb missing.

I just have the theory that it is already out in the wild somewhere, just have to find it.


13 posted on 11/24/2009 1:04:18 AM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

It looks like their approach now is to say the info was scheduled for release anyway because they were anxious, wink wink, to be forthcoming in response to the FOIA request. There’s really not much else one can say when such damning evidence is suddenly disclosed.

Sadly, even with this there are those who will cling to the global change idea and keep trying to solve a problem that no one can prove exists!


14 posted on 11/24/2009 1:33:54 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: vbmoneyspender; Desdemona; Fractal Trader; grey_whiskers; markomalley; scripter; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

15 posted on 11/24/2009 2:46:59 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Phil Jones email: p.jones@uea.ac.uk i sent him a nice little note, it hasn’t bounced back.

His web page: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/pjones/

My note:

To: p.jones@uea.ac.uk
Title: Say it isn’t so..AGW, a hoax?

Dear Dr. Jones,

Please say it isn’t so. Belief in global warming has been the center of my life. I count my carbon calories
daily.

If AGW is a fraud, how can I face my family over Thanksgiving dinner? Can you imagine the abuse I will take?

Gee, do you think the Hopenhagen accords will be effected? I hope not.

Cordially,

xxxx xxxx
xxxx xxxx Lane
Milford, Ct 06460

ps.

I hope you don’t go to jail forever. I know you meant well.


16 posted on 11/24/2009 5:46:34 AM PST by y6162 (uish..)
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To: jwparkerjr

“Sadly, even with this there are those who will cling to the global change idea...”

After your “god” blows up in your face, bits and pieces still cling to you. A few rounds of sadistic ridicule should clean up the remaining mess. Maybe a few will call for the saucer to arrive and take them away.


17 posted on 11/24/2009 5:47:53 AM PST by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: vbmoneyspender
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18 posted on 11/24/2009 6:00:43 AM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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