Posted on 12/08/2009 7:47:25 AM PST by PilotDave
Their version:
http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/greenchoice/
The truth:
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/2009/07/12/0712greenchoice.html
Now you’re just being willfully silly to pretend you have a point. We all know nuclear power plants (just like every other power plant) have multiple power generating sections so they can do maintenance (including refuel) without shutting down.
It’s a sign of how completely useless wind power actually is that you have to pretend to be this dumb to make nuke plants seem to have the same problems as wind.
Actually that doesn't seem to be true of the one in Iowa. But it's only a 585 unit. So maybe you are thinking of putting a 1gw unit in every city. Every city of what size? What about excess production. How much does electricity cost when you have to build enough nukes to handle the highest peak but said nukes spend a lot of their time idle or at less than peak power?
Once again you’re playing the willfully ignorant game. Of course the Iowa nuke plant, like all the other nuke, gas and coal plants on the planet, has redundancy so they can do maintenance.
Cities ALREADY have plants, the problem right now is they’re mostly coal or gas, polluting, beholden to foreign powers for fuel, and not as efficient as possible. And they aren’t spending time idle, there you go spreading that lie again.
(FPL.N) 580-megawatt Duane Arnold nuclear power station in Iowa ramped up to 96 percent power by early Monday, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission said in a report.
On Friday, the unit was operating at 17 percent of capacity as it exited a refueling outage.
The unit started to exit the outage on March 3 but operators stopped the restart before the plant attached to the grid after identifying higher than normal temperatures on a turbine bearing.
It started to exit the outage again on March 4.
The unit shut on Feb. 1 due to the loss of condenser cooling as it was coasting down for the refueling outage.
It last shut for refueling from about Feb. 4-March 18, 2007 and is on a 24-month refueling cycle.
Duane Arnold, which entered service in 1975, is located in Palo in Linn County, about 125 miles east-northeast of Des Moines, Iowa's capital.
It’s an antique, and stupidly designed. In the modern world everybody knows you build with multiple piles hooked up to multiple turbines and have them setup in flowing mode.
COP15 Proposals – summary from AEP simulcast from Copenhagen today
(Americans for Prosperity) http://www.americansforprosperity.org/national-site
COP15 Proposals:
- Western Economic Tax of 2% of GDP
- Removal of IP/Patent Rights for New Technology
- US Constitution is “only paper”, so “Copenhagen Treaty” as been renamed an “Agreement” so Obama can sign it on Friday
- Words “worldwide government” has been dropped from the “Treaty”; but there are 700 new global gov entities created
- The “Treaty” contains extensive, significant details (currently not being reported) on establishment of worldwide government
EPA Endangerment Finding:
- Covers 100% of McDonalds (any fast food restaurant)
- Covers all Mining, Cement Plants, PetroChemical Plants, Refineries, Trains, Shipping, Long-haul Trucks
- Covers all Manufacturing sites of any size
- Covers all Buildings in the US of moderate size and larger which use natural gas or heating oil for winter heat
- Unions are advocating “global welfare” for the millions who will become unemployed “during this necessary economic transition period”
Rick Perry:
- 400,000 jobs will be lost in Texas from EPA finding
- Electricity costs will rise $1400 per family, on average
Steve (WSJ):
- In the 1970’s scientists & US gov provided extensive data that Global Cooling was occurring
- Global climate models cannot explain cooling over the last 10 years
- Only FOX News & WSJ are covering the ClimateGate Scandal
Theoretically...
The harsh reality is that 1) lack of wind and 2) being offline for maintenance downtime, mechanical failures, etc. means many won't get there.
Can you show me a 1.5 MW turbine that has been running for 20 years?
Care to read the rest of my responses, since you "quit right there", and reply?
But I wasn't wrong.
Not really. You’re holding a 34 year old design that’s no longer used up as an “example” of problems that would be suffered if we went all nuclear in the future. Yes the antique Iowa plant has issues, issues that would no bearing if we converted to all nuclear, other than as a reminder of why we don’t build plants that way anymore.
You misunderstand the numbers I cited. I factored in average wind conditions and average windmill production, downtime. Ge 1.5 mw wind turbines are 99 percent available meaning they are not down for maintenance more than 1 percent of the time.
I'd say that's pretty optimistic, based on my casual observation of the wind farm outside my town. The offline turbine count hovers pretty reliably around 10% every time I've checked. They are Suzlon units though, not GE.
Also, I don't think you counted transportation, installation or 20 years of maintenance costs in your numbers.
You'd be wrong. Suzlon represents about 2 or 3 percent of the installed power in the USA and they may have a few kinds to work out. But in general, you'd be wrong.
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