Posted on 12/11/2009 5:57:16 PM PST by Jim Robinson
He’s not alone, either. He had company.
BTTT
Naaah.. it’s easier just to get them zotted.
Oopps!
I'm a Noachide.
That is one of the more extreme(ist) positions I've seen posted. It is bordering on hysteria. Are you implying that Charles Darwin invented Communism. Long before The Origin of Species and The Communist Manifesto The idea of a classless, stateless society based on communal ownership of property and wealth stretches far back in history. Karl Marx saw primitive communism as the original, hunter-gatherer state of humankind from which it arose. There is considerable evidence of this in primitive societies. Other early examples include Pythagoreanism and Plato's The Republic; and to the early Christian Church, as described in the Acts of the Apostles Other attempts to establish communistic societies were made by the Essenes and by the Judean desert sect. In 1620, the Pilgrims had tried communism and abandoned it after only one year.
The Catholic Church is a proponent of Theistic Evolution. Surely you are not implying that Charles Darwin turned Catholics against God are you?
I am not interested in changing the topic of my post on patience with those who have not arrived to a knowledge of the Lord.
It seems you have a topic of your own that is different from mine and as I have stated before have a nice day!
Thanks for the clarification.
neither would there first five children who were conceived and then born in a matter of minutes on the Sixth Day of Creation. The nine month gestation period which calls for the umbilical cord was a punishment for Eve's sin.
Now THIS is a new one!
Not really. G-d said "Harbah 'arbeh `itztzvonekh veheronekh" ("I will multiply [or lengthen] your pain and your conception"). Thus the human gestation period was lengthened, whereas Adam and Eve had five children on the day they were created.
Why do sinless ANIMALS have long gestation periods and umbilical cords?
I suppose the same reason sinless animals suffer and die. I don't understand it either. But I do know that Adam and Eve's sin affected the entire universe as well as themselves.
Noticed that, did ya?
You wrote:
“The Catholic Church is a proponent of Theistic Evolution.”
I think you’re saying more than the Church claims. The Church, as Pius XII makes clear, does not forbid people to believe the idea that our bodies were the products of pre-existing matter. See Pius XII, Humani Generis 36. The Church has never gone any further than that and probably never will.
Actually not. The theory of evolution does revolve around single common ancestry, so you example doesn't make your point. And BTW, just because one believes, that the scientific evidence suggests, that changes occur in the genetic material of organism populations through successive generations, doesn't mean that one is specifically talking about the supposed evolution of man, from apes.
Look I have no real interest in trying to convince you about evolution, but understand I will defend my beliefs when they are incorrectly criticized.
Take it or leave it.
Well said, all three points.
or you can spend an afternoon at “War Porn” and get a small taste of where are troops are on the front lines, how brave they are indeed! and too see them chuckle as they give a piece of candy to a child, the “soft side of the war”. Oh how the children love our soldiers. (they know)
Still roaming around this great site Mr. Jim...and it is truly a site to behold as well as the Freepers here. Thank you!....... THIS IS ADDICTIVE STUFF!
A lot has happened since Pius XII. In an October 22, 1996, address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Pope John Paul II updated the Church's position to accept evolution of the human body:
"In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points....Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies – which was neither planned nor sought – constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory."
In the same address, Pope John Paul II rejected any theory of evolution that provides a materialistic explanation for the human soul:
"Theories of evolution which, because of the philosophies which inspire them, regard the spirit either as emerging from the forces of living matter, or as a simple epiphenomenon of that matter, are incompatible with the truth about man."
Cardinal Ratzinger, In the Beginning: A Catholic Understanding of the Story of Creation and the Fall [Eerdmans, 1986, 1995],
We cannot say: creation or evolution, inasmuch as these two things respond to two different realities. The story of the dust of the earth and the breath of God, which we just heard, does not in fact explain how human persons come to be but rather what they are. It explains their inmost origin and casts light on the project that they are. And, vice versa, the theory of evolution seeks to understand and describe biological developments. But in so doing it cannot explain where the 'project' of human persons comes from, nor their inner origin, nor their particular nature. To that extent we are faced here with two complementary -- rather than mutually exclusive -- realities.
In a book released in 2008, his comments prior to becoming Pope were recorded as:
The clay became man at the moment in which a being for the first time was capable of forming, however dimly, the thought of "God." The first Thou that – however stammeringly – was said by human lips to God marks the moment in which the spirit arose in the world. Here the Rubicon of anthropogenesis was crossed. For it is not the use of weapons or fire, not new methods of cruelty or of useful activity, that constitute man, but rather his ability to be immediately in relation to God. This holds fast to the doctrine of the special creation of man . . . herein . . . lies the reason why the moment of anthropogenesis cannot possibly be determined by paleontology: anthropogenesis is the rise of the spirit, which cannot be excavated with a shovel. The theory of evolution does not invalidate the faith, nor does it corroborate it. But it does challenge the faith to understand itself more profoundly and thus to help man to understand himself and to become increasingly what he is: the being who is supposed to say Thou to God in eternity."
The Word of God is love and it is also a sword to cut through deception. You seem to be a knower of the Word and want to stop Christians from being a DOER! As we all know, satan knows Scripture. Knowing Scripture is no defense against the wiles of satan - but it’s the DOER who is his enemy!
Love is not letting evil go unchallenged. You, however, seem bent on taking the ‘saltiness’ out of Christianity. We see the results in America today and abortion is just ONE example.
You must understand the whole message of the Bible - not chose certain Scripture for your agenda. Without wisdom and discernment on a matter, you leave yourself wide open for deception. And worse, yet, led others open, also.
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Very well said.
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