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Immigration reform bill introduced in Congress
SV Mercury News ^ | December 15, 2009 | Ken McLaughlin

Posted on 12/24/2009 6:39:02 AM PST by americanophile

-snip- For the first time in two years, a measure billed as "comprehensive immigration reform" has been introduced in Congress.

The bill — HR 4321 — filed Tuesday by Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., incorporates most of the provisions of a measure introduced in June by Rep. Mike Honda, D-Campbell.

At last count Tuesday night, it had 89 co-sponsors.

Honda's bill focused on legal immigration issues such as eliminating visa backlogs and giving green-card holders the same rights as citizens to bring their spouses and children to the U.S. But Gutierrez's bill is much more sweeping. It includes a provision that would allow the country's 12 million illegal immigrants to legalize by paying a $500 fine, learning English and passing a criminal-background check.

It would also require employers to check a federal database to verify the immigration status of job applicants.

In 2007, the last time Congress grappled with the issue, a bipartisan Senate bill sponsored by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and the late Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., failed when Republicans blocked votes over the amnesty issue.

But Democrats think immigration reform has a better shot this time around.

"Now, we have the White House," Honda said Tuesday. "And now we have leadership in both houses that want to see it happen."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, says she will let the Senate take up the issue first after Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., files his version of the immigration reform bill after the holiday break.

Groups that favor decreased immigration were quick to pounce on the legislation.

"It certainly has everything in there for every special-interest group — from amnesty for illegal aliens at the bargain-basement price of 500 bucks, to increased family-based immigration, to increased employment-based immigration," said Ira Mehlman

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bohica; cirasap; congress; immigrantlist; immigration; importingdemvotes
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1 posted on 12/24/2009 6:39:04 AM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile
Since they are not listening to the people, the next thing will be pushing the cap and trade bill. Obama wants all this done before the 2010 elections. With clauses in the bills that prevent future congresses from changing them, Obama, Reid and Pelosi don't care if they lose some seats. At least they will have the bills they want to build on in the future, even if they become the minority. They will get enough of the RINO’s to go along with them.

I am so sick of these people, I just hope the Republicans have the backbone to fight all these future bills until the elections.

2 posted on 12/24/2009 6:44:23 AM PST by bobsunshine
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To: americanophile

So now we use this in conjunction with the healthcare bill. Let the American people now that if millions of illegals are granted amnesty they will qualify for healthcare which the American taxpayer will be paying for. They will be taking more jobs that Americans are now taking to feed their families. Obama and the rats are going to have one hell of a fight on their hands. We need to go after this administration with everything we’ve got. Drive his numbers into the ground.


3 posted on 12/24/2009 6:47:40 AM PST by jersey117
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To: bobsunshine

Thank goodness the “clauses that prevent future Congresses from changing them” aren’t worth the paper they are printed on. Future Congresses will have the same authority to change them as the current Congress has to enact them.


4 posted on 12/24/2009 6:49:22 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: jersey117

When enough american citizens have nothing left to lose then there will be a diiferent kind of “change” than the sort the great zero forsaw.


5 posted on 12/24/2009 6:57:27 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: americanophile

The Democrats are on a suicide mission.


6 posted on 12/24/2009 7:04:22 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: americanophile

I read until I got to “twelve million”. How stupid do they think we are.


7 posted on 12/24/2009 7:04:42 AM PST by Sefton (Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, Trotskism, Maoism, Obamaism)
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To: americanophile
After they pass the the Healthcare abomination bill...they will need votes for reelection....and they know where to get them....

Hope and Change was not limited to the legal population.....they intend to mold the American population into the serfs we should be....

Our nation is on the edge....and the left intends on pushing it over into the abyss....doesn't matter where it ends up....just so long as they keep power...
8 posted on 12/24/2009 7:04:58 AM PST by PigRigger (Donate to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org - The Troops have our front covered, let's guard their backs!)
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To: jersey117

Absolutely, we need to mount a huge offense NOW! Get those Republicans on-board before it’s too late.


9 posted on 12/24/2009 7:05:29 AM PST by Kenny
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To: jersey117

And we need to get the word out re: their real motives. They don’t care about these people (illegals) they’re trying to ensure their re-election after they turned against the American people with their healthcare.


10 posted on 12/24/2009 7:09:11 AM PST by Kenny
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To: americanophile

Lt. Col. Allen West put it in one word the other day:

“bayonets!”


11 posted on 12/24/2009 7:20:43 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


12 posted on 12/24/2009 7:24:34 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: La Lydia

I wish I was as optimistic as you. If that was the case (”not worth the paper they are printed on”), then that section would be illegal. Until someone challenges it in court and a ruling is made, be very aware of what they are capable of - future congresses will not be able to change the law until it is challenged.


13 posted on 12/24/2009 7:29:58 AM PST by bobsunshine
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To: bobsunshine

Think about it. Let’s imagine that, next year, the Republicans take over both houses of Congress. (I’m not saying that will happen, I’m just saying, suppose they do.) They pass legislation containing language that reverses the provisions that were “permanent.” Who or what is going to do anything about that? Congress can change any law it wants, and doesn’t have wait for a court challenge to do so. Separation of powers, remember? A current Congress cannot tie the hands of a future Congress.


14 posted on 12/24/2009 7:37:04 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: bobsunshine
With clauses in the bills that prevent future congresses from changing them

Unlawful and unconstitutional. Unless we get one more Sotomayor on SCOTUS. Then we go to Hitlerville.

15 posted on 12/24/2009 7:55:54 AM PST by pabianice
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To: jersey117

In a sad, perverse way, it doesn’t really matter how many illegals are added to the “free” health care bandwagon.

The so called health bill will be the nail in coffin of the teetering economy. If we crash as hard as it is beginning to look like we will, no one is getting squat.

However, these 12 million (more lie 15-18 million) illegals are going to be a lot less constrained by civil niceties when it comes to getting what they need in a collapse than most Americans. Libs without weapons are going to be the first victims.


16 posted on 12/24/2009 7:59:40 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Sefton

Yeah, more like 36 million.

“Now we have the White House,” as congress critter Honda said. Hell, two years ago, George W. Bush was president and he was 100% on board with amnesty. Anyone remember his “See you at the signing” comment?

Healthcare takeover, cap ‘n tax, amnesty....looks like the democrats WANT a revolution!


17 posted on 12/24/2009 8:08:06 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (A Jimmy Carter got us a Ronald Reagan.....a Barack Obama will get us a Sarah Palin)
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To: americanophile
Hereafter referred to as The WetbAct of 2009...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

18 posted on 12/24/2009 8:14:51 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: La Lydia
Think about it. Let’s imagine that, next year, the Republicans take over both houses of Congress. (I’m not saying that will happen, I’m just saying, suppose they do.) They pass legislation containing language that reverses the provisions that were “permanent.” Who or what is going to do anything about that? Congress can change any law it wants, and doesn’t have wait for a court challenge to do so. Separation of powers, remember? A current Congress cannot tie the hands of a future Congress.

We can retake the House which will give us some leverage.

And add some Senators, so we can filibuster.

19 posted on 12/24/2009 8:16:41 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: americanophile
"Now, we have the White House," Honda said Tuesday. "And now we have leadership in both houses that want to see it happen."

The same was true the last time around under GW.
20 posted on 12/24/2009 8:41:16 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Sefton
I read until I got to “twelve million”. How stupid do they think we are.

I think there's that many in California alone.

21 posted on 12/24/2009 9:05:41 AM PST by janetgreen ( SICK OF TRAITOROUS POLITICIANS)
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To: americanophile

The Terrorist Assistance and Facilitation Act (Comprehensive Immigration Reform)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2405482/posts

Also, this is a good day to remember the death by illegal alien of Bob Clark and his son, who gave us the movie “A Christmas Story”.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1815665/posts


22 posted on 12/24/2009 9:14:59 AM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: La Lydia
Think about it. Let’s imagine that, next year, the Republicans take over both houses of Congress. (I’m not saying that will happen, I’m just saying, suppose they do.) They pass legislation containing language that reverses the provisions that were “permanent.” Who or what is going to do anything about that?

Let me answer your question - O will veto it. Any more questions?

23 posted on 12/24/2009 9:21:54 AM PST by nwrep
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To: nwrep

A veto can be overcome.


24 posted on 12/24/2009 9:31:46 AM PST by cranked
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To: nwrep

Oh dear. I can tell you’ve never been there. You just attach it to a funding bill that contains something he and his followers want. Any more questions? How do you think they got Bush to sign any number of crappy pieces of legislation? They attached them to defense approps bills.


25 posted on 12/24/2009 9:43:54 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: americanophile
IF they get obamacare and any form of amnesty at all I don't see how the country can recover financially.
In addition,I go absolutely nuts every time I see the figure of 12 million illegals as if that were accurate. The true number is much higher and I have documented it here numerous times.
Why we, on this forum let the DBM set the agenda on something as important as the true number of illegals is beyond me.
26 posted on 12/24/2009 9:58:09 AM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: americanophile

http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/conway-islamic-latin-america/2009/12/23/id/344519?s=al&promo_code=942E-1


27 posted on 12/24/2009 10:00:35 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: La Lydia; All

Radical Amnesty Bill Introduced in House

On Tuesday, December 15, open borders advocate Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) introduced H.R. 4321, the “Comprehensive Immigration Reform for America’s Security and Prosperity Act of 2009,” (CIR ASAP). H.R. 4321 would grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, dramatically increase legal immigration, and create loopholes in existing penalties in exchange for promises of “enforcement” in the future. (See FAIR’s Legislative Updates from October 19, 2009 and December 14, 2009). At introduction, CIR ASAP had over 90 original co-sponsors in the House of Representatives. (See Cosponsor listing).

CIR ASAP contains several amnesty programs, including AgJOBS (Title IV, Subtitle B); the DREAM Act (sprinkled throughout the bill); and a broad amnesty program through which millions of illegal aliens could obtain “earned legalization” (Title IV, Subtitle A). These provisions are in many ways similar to those in the Bush-Kennedy Amnesty Bill of 2007, except that several significant requirements have been weakened. For example, for an illegal alien to receive amnesty under H.R.4321, he or she does not even have to establish employment, only that he or she is an active member of the community.

In addition to granting amnesty, CIR ASAP would dramatically increase legal immigration by:

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Recapturing purportedly “unused” family and employment-based green cards from 1992 to 2008 (§301(a)-(b)). According to State Department data, this provision alone could bring in as many as 550,000 immigrants-all of whom would compete with American workers for jobs. (U.S. State Department, Unused Family and Employment Preferences Numbers Available for Recapture, Fiscal Years 1992-2007).
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Expanding the definition of “immediate relatives” to include children and spouses of lawful permanent residents. (§302). This would allow an unlimited number of these children and spouses to immediately qualify for a visa.
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Increasing the annual per country limits on family and employment-based visas from seven percent to ten percent. (§303). Under current law, each foreign country has a seven percent share of the total cap of visas allocated each year.

In exchange for the multiple amnesties and massive increases in legal immigration proposed in the bill, H.R. 4321 contains measures ostensibly aimed at strengthening immigration “enforcement.” Upon closer examination, however, CIR ASAP would actually undermine the enforcement of our immigration laws. For example, the bill would:

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Repeal the highly successful 287(g) program, which allows federal officials to train state and local law enforcement agencies in the enforcement of federal immigration laws. (§184).
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Establish a new, untested electronic employee verification system. (§201). This would completely reverse years of progress made with respect to E-Verify.
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Temporarily suspend Operation Streamline pending a re-evaluation of the program’s future viability. (§125(a)). Operation Streamline is a highly successful, zero-tolerance program that targets illegal aliens for immediate prosecution upon apprehension at or near the border. After Operation Streamline was put into effect in December 2006, the Yuma, Arizona sector saw nearly 1200 prosecutions in the first 9 months. Border apprehensions decreased by 70 percent. (CBP Press Release, July 24, 2007).
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Prohibit the Armed Forces and the National Guard from assisting in securing the border unless: (1) the President declares a national emergency, or (2) the use of the Armed Forces/National Guard is required for specific counter-terrorism duties. (§131(a) & (b)).
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Require the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to identify and inventory the current personnel, human resources, assets, equipment, supplies, or other physical resources dedicated to border security and enforcement prior to any increase in these categories. (§114(a); §116(a)).

At a press conference announcing the introduction of his bill, Rep. Gutierrez indicated that his bill was to set the Congressional Hispanic Caucus’s standard for immigration reform legislation. However, he also acknowledged that the Senate will most likely be the first chamber to act on amnesty legislation. While a bill has not yet been introduced in the Senate, Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is planning to introduce a bill in early 2010, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has indicated he will kick off the amnesty debate sometime in February or March. (Congressional Quarterly, December 15, 2009).

FAIR will be releasing a more detailed summary of the Gutierrez amnesty bill shortly. Stay tuned for our in-depth analysis.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/200912237894/border-and-sovereignty/us-legislative-immigration-update-december-22-2009.html


28 posted on 12/24/2009 10:01:51 AM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: americanophile

http://www.personalliberty.com/news/government-announces-new-transfers-of-guantanamo-detainees-19494880/


29 posted on 12/24/2009 10:02:55 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: americanophile

http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/ML-Israel-Iran/2009/12/15/id/342679?s=al&promo_code=938B-1


30 posted on 12/24/2009 10:04:16 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: americanophile
If they even *attempt* to pass this (and this bill is why they are not listening on the others -- they have (in their mind) the ready-minted infinite supply of fake voters, and ACORN to vote for them) -- I foresee real problems.

Cheers!

...and Merry Christmas.

31 posted on 12/24/2009 10:13:13 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: AuntB
This could mean somewhere between 50-100 million illegals could flood our welfare system almost overnight. That at time when obamcarer will shrink the available doctors depending on just how many quit.

Absolute chaos, just what they are trying to do.

Guess what happens when the chaos starts? If you said complete govt. control score 200 points and pass go.

32 posted on 12/24/2009 10:13:27 AM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: rodguy911

“This could mean somewhere between 50-100 million illegals could flood our welfare system almost overnight. That at time when obamcarer will shrink the available doctors depending on just how many quit.

Absolute chaos, just what they are trying to do.

Guess what happens when the chaos starts? If you said complete govt. control score 200 points and pass go.”

______

You’re right, rodguy911. Wish you weren’t, but you are.


33 posted on 12/24/2009 10:17:06 AM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: americanophile

Well now that they’ve completely bucked their voters, they’re going to need new supporters. :)


34 posted on 12/24/2009 10:23:37 AM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: La Lydia

Nope, he will still veto it. This trumps everything else - this is a game changer - think strategically, not tactically.


35 posted on 12/24/2009 10:41:52 AM PST by nwrep
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To: nwrep

You asked a question, I answered it. You have obviously not been paying attention for the past 20 years. Are you telling me that a Republican-controlled Congress and a Republican in the White House couldn’t change something? What is BO going to do about anything after he leaves office? In politics, nothing is forever, including BO. Likewise, nothing is untrumpable. And puh-lease, stop condescending to me, or I will think you are one of those people who can’t stand it when women disagree with them. All that said, I think there are several kinds of bills that he would not veto regardless of non-germane amendments.


36 posted on 12/24/2009 10:50:10 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: bobsunshine
"With clauses in the bills that prevent future congresses from changing them"

That has been tried before, its supposedly unconstitutional.

37 posted on 12/24/2009 10:51:37 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: americanophile
issues such as eliminating visa backlogs and giving green-card holders the same rights as citizens to bring their spouses and children to the U.S.

Makes sense.

a provision that would allow the country's 12 million illegal immigrants to legalize by paying a $500 fine, learning English and passing a criminal-background check.

Not just no, HELL NO! Anybody here want to bet me a sawbuck that any of this will happen, or will they just be waved past the checkpoint? Anybody? Nobody for sucker bets, huh?

It would also require employers to check a federal database to verify the immigration status of job applicants.

They should ALREADY be required to do this. If the EPA can literally regulate the air I breathe (out), why can't we make employers obey the immigration laws using the regulatory agencies? Anybody want to bet that if this DOES become law, violations will be treated the Charlie Rangel's tax evasion?

38 posted on 12/24/2009 10:53:53 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Maureen Dowd is right. I DON'T like our President's color. He's a Red.)
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To: AuntB
The worst thing is that personally I don't have a quick solution to all this.

All I can think of is next year's elections.

39 posted on 12/24/2009 11:05:09 AM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Tzimisce
Many of the constituents of the left, except for the very hard left less than 20%, are bought and paid for. When you have to buy votes for every election it takes a lot of resources to keep on doing that.

When your party(the dems) has way less than a 50/50 chance you gotta wonder who will bankroll that.

40 posted on 12/24/2009 11:08:04 AM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: americanophile

“It includes a provision that would allow the country’s 12 million illegal immigrants to legalize...”....

no matter the means...it will be very interesting to see how many of OUR congresscritters and prospective presidential candidates support this.


41 posted on 12/24/2009 11:10:36 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Join Me In BOYCOTTING all ObamaTV!! (Change the channel or do so and then turn tv off!!))
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To: Mad Dawgg

Obummer cannot stay in office forever unless he proclaims himself king or president for life and disbands Congress altogether.


42 posted on 12/24/2009 11:19:30 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: La Lydia
You have obviously not been paying attention for the past 20 years. Are you telling me that a Republican-controlled Congress and a Republican in the White House couldn’t change something?

Unfortunately, someone else has been not paying attention for the past 20+ years. I am only too aware of how futile the efforts of previous administrations have been to repeal large Dem mandates.

And yes, to answer your question, yes, a Repub House/Senate and a Repub President will not change something. To understand why, just see how hard it has been for us over the years to push back even modest increases in the Federal government. To understand history, go back approximately 29 years to the 1980 campaign when Reagan made the rollback and dissolution of the Dept. of Education (established by the Carter administration) a center piece of his campaign, similar to the current situation. Despite a Republican Senate, he could not accomplish this. Of course, the House was still Democratic, but later Presidents found it (and will find it) increasingly harder as the entitlements and federal programs became more entrenched. This is an important lesson - even the most significant conservative takeover of the Government of the past generation, led by Reagan and the Senate sweep of 1980 was not enough to overturn the Dept. Of Education. This bill is much more pervasive and long-reaching in its scope.

My point is that history teaches us that large federal programs, once enacted, are almost impossible to roll back and end. That is the lesson of history. How I wish it were otherwise. To believe somehow this is going to change at some future date is ignoring strong and overwhelming historical evidence.

43 posted on 12/24/2009 11:21:47 AM PST by nwrep
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To: La Lydia

the first week of us being in power I want to see everything this Marxist has done undone.

I want to see him on TV seeing everything being thrown away in front of his eyes.

I want this health care bill overturned, interpol gets told to piss off etc.

The likes of Jennings will be gone and so will all they have done to our schools.
I also want those who have been ignoring the constitution and passing bills illegally up on charges and then the black panthers will have charges again put against them as they should have done.

Then the likes of ACORN I want to see investigated and those jailed, cut of funding forever and SOROS the main target should be sent to Russia where he will face the charges there and never be allowed to come back to this country ever again.

What they have done to this country is disgusting.

What ever grates me is how dumb the Dem voters are.

Blacks have got no where under a Dem party
we need to figure out what to do with illegals.
homosexuals should be told tom sort their lives out.
Schools should now be told to get a grip and start teaching kids on education not brainwashing.
SEIU investigated into their actions with this president and I want to see obama’s records revealed, even hsi schools records I bet showing F’s should be revealed.

No more nicey nice, this is our country and they should be working for us not forcing their radical view onto us or our kids.

Cuts in many programmes like the NEA should be cut, no more pork for them and everyone who is on office Dem or GOP should be held to a higher standard


44 posted on 12/24/2009 11:31:29 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: nwrep

But it is possible to repeal something that has not yet been rolled out such as healthcare which does not really go into affect for years. The taxes go into effect now but the program itself doesn’t and therefore it is ripe for repeal. But before that happens it should be fought in the courts over constitutional grounds and authority.


45 posted on 12/24/2009 11:42:07 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Ev Reeman

I would rather not risk it. I would rather we defeat it now.


46 posted on 12/24/2009 11:47:08 AM PST by nwrep
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To: rodguy911

>The worst thing is that personally I don’t have a quick solution to all this.
>
>All I can think of is next year’s elections.

Have you ever thought that maybe, like a magician focusing your attention on the other hand, that this is what they want you to be thinking about?


47 posted on 12/24/2009 1:03:51 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: rodguy911

It seems to me that zer0 is purposely insulting the American people and our closest allies to weaken the USA abroad and cause civil strife at home.
What else could it be?


48 posted on 12/24/2009 1:08:11 PM PST by RedMDer (Recycle Congress in 2010, 2012...)
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To: Sefton

They know we aren’t stupid. They also know there isn’t anything we can do about it.


49 posted on 12/24/2009 1:33:55 PM PST by Ajnin
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To: americanophile

Nobody hates illegals more than the good honest people of all nationalities that are legal immigrants. I worked with some a few years ago and asked about the process. It is quite extensive but they all felt it worth it.

Of course the illegals can pass background checks. When you use a fake social security number it’s easy to pass one.


50 posted on 12/24/2009 1:38:28 PM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth THEY finally begin December 2009 (Keep flammables away from TV 12/10))
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