Posted on 01/04/2010 3:59:51 PM PST by wagglebee
So sadly true. It's especially the case among the Jesuits who were the one group that was largely responsible for the dissemination of the 'conscience as king' attitude. The idea that something is not a sin unless YOU think it's a sin, is a direct result of that faulty teaching by the Jebbies.
It was the Jesuit Fr. Robert Drinan who taught the Kennedys how to say "I'm personally opposed, but..." when discussing abortion, then go ahead and voting for it, with their consciences clear. When Fr. Drinan died, he had to answer to God for millions of aborted babies, who had met their fate because of the Catholic politicians who hid behind that mantra he had taught.
I think Pelosi and others are benefiting from the knowledge that bishops and priests cannot divulge private conversations because it could possibly be construed as violating the seal of the confessional.
There are not two sets of Catholics. If you support abortion, you are not Catholic.
Either the Catholic Church has an ambiguous position on abortion or some of these Catholics aren’t really Catholic.
Knowing the Church’s stance on abortion and life, I was wondering how *Catholics* could be arguing for abortion funding; IOW, why there would be a battle to begin with.
It shouldn’t even be a consideration.
Exactly! It is a battle between Catholic’s who keep the faith and those who think they can get away with making their own rules while calling themselves Catholic which they are most certainly not.
I don’t know how ANYBODY could say that the Catholic position on abortion is ambiguous.
People like Pelosi, Biden and the Kennedys have been allowed to get away with it for too long. They will continue until the bishops put an end to it.
Their teaching seems to be clear, the trouble is their unwillingness to enforce their teachings.
Over in 1. Well put.
I am actually working with one such right now.
They have given up their souls for political expediency. There should be no place for them anywhere in Christendom.
I will say it was the best decision we ever made. In retrospect, it was funny how long this took to unfold, and how patient God has been with us, herding us slowly and surely into His Church.
I love our parish, if you sent out to Central Casting for a bunch of faithful Catholic priests, you'd probably get our men. It's almost stereotypical -- the hard-bitten fireplug of an Irish rector with a gravelly voice and a heart of pure gold, his young, slim, ascetic Irish parochial vicar straight off the boat and full of good works of all kinds, the ex-military PV, extraordinarily well read and on fire for Christ, the sweet, holy Thai Redemptorist Father in residence . . . and three Permanent Deacons who are brilliant - the retired Ga. Tech physics professor, the cultured LSU music major, and the Good Old Boy from rural Georgia who can see right through you and back again in 30 seconds. An amazing crew.
Yes, that is certainly true.
But to affirm the church's claim to be the Church requires understanding how so many laity and clergy are dissenters, some even - without correction - deny the most basic elements of Christianity.
I was in an RCIA program which used a dissection of the Apostle's Creed written by Sr. Joan Chittister, and, man, if she is not a heretic the word has no meaning.
The Church tends to move on geologic time, but with any luck the current Apostolic Visitation will have consequences for “Sister” Chittester, “Sister” Donna Quinn, and the rest of those anti-Catholic loons. Did you drop a dime on them to the bishop?
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