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Battle Over Abortion Funding in Congress Pits Catholics Against Each Other
Life News ^ | 1/4/10 | Deal Hudson

Posted on 01/04/2010 3:59:51 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee
It's not merely a matter of how hard the USCCB presses its case with the 111th Congress; the chain of cause and effect goes back decades and runs through universities, colleges, chanceries, schools, parishes, homes, and, of course, the USCCB itself.

So sadly true. It's especially the case among the Jesuits who were the one group that was largely responsible for the dissemination of the 'conscience as king' attitude. The idea that something is not a sin unless YOU think it's a sin, is a direct result of that faulty teaching by the Jebbies.

It was the Jesuit Fr. Robert Drinan who taught the Kennedys how to say "I'm personally opposed, but..." when discussing abortion, then go ahead and voting for it, with their consciences clear. When Fr. Drinan died, he had to answer to God for millions of aborted babies, who had met their fate because of the Catholic politicians who hid behind that mantra he had taught.

21 posted on 01/04/2010 4:38:40 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: wagglebee
The Conference of Bishops does speak out against abortion and some, Like Bishop Tobin are sincere. What about all of the Bishops who gave Ted Kennedy such a grand congratulatory funeral? Nancy Pelosi says she has the blessing of her Bishop. Remember the Bishop in San Francisco Presenting the host to people in drag as nuns?
Are watching the Catholic Church quietly watch out freedom be taken away just as happened in “catholic” Venezuela?
22 posted on 01/04/2010 4:42:13 PM PST by paguch
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To: paguch

I think Pelosi and others are benefiting from the knowledge that bishops and priests cannot divulge private conversations because it could possibly be construed as violating the seal of the confessional.


23 posted on 01/04/2010 4:48:47 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
The present standoff over abortion funding in health-care reform pits two sets of Catholics against each other:

There are not two sets of Catholics. If you support abortion, you are not Catholic.

24 posted on 01/04/2010 4:52:26 PM PST by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: wagglebee

Either the Catholic Church has an ambiguous position on abortion or some of these Catholics aren’t really Catholic.


25 posted on 01/04/2010 4:56:57 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: wagglebee

Knowing the Church’s stance on abortion and life, I was wondering how *Catholics* could be arguing for abortion funding; IOW, why there would be a battle to begin with.

It shouldn’t even be a consideration.


26 posted on 01/04/2010 4:57:15 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee

Exactly! It is a battle between Catholic’s who keep the faith and those who think they can get away with making their own rules while calling themselves Catholic which they are most certainly not.


27 posted on 01/04/2010 4:58:32 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: freedomfiter2

I don’t know how ANYBODY could say that the Catholic position on abortion is ambiguous.


28 posted on 01/04/2010 5:00:23 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: metmom
It shouldn’t even be a consideration.

People like Pelosi, Biden and the Kennedys have been allowed to get away with it for too long. They will continue until the bishops put an end to it.

29 posted on 01/04/2010 5:02:11 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Their teaching seems to be clear, the trouble is their unwillingness to enforce their teachings.


30 posted on 01/04/2010 5:11:42 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: wagglebee
This isn't a battle between Catholics, it's a battle between Catholics and apostates who need to be formally excommunicated.

Over in 1. Well put.

31 posted on 01/04/2010 5:12:04 PM PST by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Jim, if you can identify your diocese, somebody on FR can steer you to a holy and orthodox Catholic priest

I am actually working with one such right now.

32 posted on 01/04/2010 5:28:13 PM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: wagglebee; metmom
"People like Pelosi, Biden and the Kennedys have been allowed to get away with it for too long."

They have given up their souls for political expediency. There should be no place for them anywhere in Christendom.

33 posted on 01/04/2010 6:08:07 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: Jim Noble
Wonderful! Prayers for you and yours.

I will say it was the best decision we ever made. In retrospect, it was funny how long this took to unfold, and how patient God has been with us, herding us slowly and surely into His Church.

I love our parish, if you sent out to Central Casting for a bunch of faithful Catholic priests, you'd probably get our men. It's almost stereotypical -- the hard-bitten fireplug of an Irish rector with a gravelly voice and a heart of pure gold, his young, slim, ascetic Irish parochial vicar straight off the boat and full of good works of all kinds, the ex-military PV, extraordinarily well read and on fire for Christ, the sweet, holy Thai Redemptorist Father in residence . . . and three Permanent Deacons who are brilliant - the retired Ga. Tech physics professor, the cultured LSU music major, and the Good Old Boy from rural Georgia who can see right through you and back again in 30 seconds. An amazing crew.

34 posted on 01/04/2010 6:51:08 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: wagglebee
But I also believe that the largest number of devout Christians are Catholics.

Yes, that is certainly true.

But to affirm the church's claim to be the Church requires understanding how so many laity and clergy are dissenters, some even - without correction - deny the most basic elements of Christianity.

I was in an RCIA program which used a dissection of the Apostle's Creed written by Sr. Joan Chittister, and, man, if she is not a heretic the word has no meaning.

35 posted on 01/04/2010 7:49:48 PM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: Jim Noble

The Church tends to move on geologic time, but with any luck the current Apostolic Visitation will have consequences for “Sister” Chittester, “Sister” Donna Quinn, and the rest of those anti-Catholic loons. Did you drop a dime on them to the bishop?


36 posted on 01/05/2010 4:49:02 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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