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It doesn't get any more original or any more certified than this, as far as state records are concerned.

It doesn't get any more certified than that, and I think that's the point that Beck, O'Reilly, Malkin, Coulter, and others have tried to make.

I don't think very highly of those four - a bunch of showboats who will anything or change their opinions to make a buck in my opinion, but I do find myself agreeing with them occasionally, broken clock and all that, and I think they are right in that no matter what you believe, the State of Hawaii has signed off on it and that's who makes the decision.

As much as I dislike Bush and Cheney, I'm pretty confident that they would have raised a fuss if they felt he didn't meet one of the qualifications.

Hell, Hillary Clinton would have raged up and down the corridors of Congress if she didn't think he was eligible. You just think the birthers are angry, you can bet that she was much more angrier than they could ever be, that he dared to challenge her over what she considers to be rightfully hers, and she would not go down without a fight.

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As much as I dislike Bush and Cheney, I'm pretty confident that they would have raised a fuss if they felt he didn't meet one of the qualifications.

Hell, Hillary Clinton would have raged up and down the corridors of Congress if she didn't think he was eligible. You just think the birthers are angry, you can bet that she was much more angrier than they could ever be, that he dared to challenge her over what she considers to be rightfully hers, and she would not go down without a fight.

Exactly right... all these people would have raised the issue, big-time, if there was something there. And now that the State of Hawaii has made it abundantly clear that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born American citizen -- that puts it to rest for all, except those who don't want to accept even an official statement from the very agency who keeps the records and who makes "certified copies" of those records...