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Smoking Does Not Cause Lung Cancer (According to WHO/CDC Data)*
Journal of Theoretics ^ | Oct/Nov 1999 | James P. Siepmann, MD

Posted on 01/05/2010 3:28:28 PM PST by neverdem

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To: fanfan

CDC, “Annual Smoking-Attributable Mortality, Years of Potential Life Lost, and Productivity Losses — United States 2000-2004,” MMWR 57(45), November 14, 2008 http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5745a3.htm. See also, California EPA, Proposed Identification of Environmental Tobacco Smoke as a Toxic Air Contaminant, June 24, 2005, http://repositories.cdlib.org/tc/surveys/CALEPA2005C/. Smoking-caused disease. CDC, “Cigarette Smoking-Attributable Morbidity – United States, 2000” MMWR 52(35): 842-844, September 5, 2003. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/wk/mm5235.pdf. See, also, U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO), “CDC’s April 2002 Report on Smoking: Estimates of Selected Health Consequences of Cigarette Smoking Were Reasonable,” letter to U.S. Rep. Richard Burr, July 16, 2003, http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03942r.pdf.


41 posted on 01/05/2010 6:05:52 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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42 posted on 01/05/2010 6:09:45 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: defconw

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43 posted on 01/05/2010 6:23:05 PM PST by cibco (I HOPE Obummers's CHANGE disappears...)
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To: dglang
Despite what some people may say, smoking does cause lung cancer as well as several other diseases.

It's a risk factor, not the cause. I'm sorry to read about your parents.

44 posted on 01/05/2010 6:27:12 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: heartwood
It gives you deep wrinkles in your face too - you can tell the heavy smokers even if they quit ten years ago.

Just look at photos of Bette Davis when she was old as an example.

45 posted on 01/05/2010 6:32:57 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Freedom of the Press?! I need Freedom FROM THE PRESS!)
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To: Ole Okie
Most smokers don’t die of lung cancer; they just fade away from COPD.

Both of my maternal grandparents died of emphyesema. My bio mother has it now. Not a good way to go.

46 posted on 01/05/2010 6:34:35 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Freedom of the Press?! I need Freedom FROM THE PRESS!)
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To: Ole Okie

Glad you were able to give up smoking. I watched my parents, all their siblings, my husbands parents and their siblings all die from smoking related diseases. They were all WW2 generation folks and they smoked. I hope you are able to escape COPD, it is a nasty way to go.


47 posted on 01/05/2010 6:52:24 PM PST by Ditter
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To: neverdem
Yes, it is true, smoking does not cause lung cancer. It is only one of many risk factors for lung cancer.

So the World Health Organization actually said smoking puts you at risk for lung cancer, yet it doesn't cause lung cancer?

What a bunch of "hooey."
48 posted on 01/05/2010 7:09:10 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: neverdem
Smoking certainly causes lung cancer along with a plethora of other disorders.

I don't begrudge any adult their right to consume a substance as they see fit. However, an adult will inform him or herself of the consequences of consuming the substance and make a fully informed decision.
49 posted on 01/05/2010 7:18:45 PM PST by mysterio
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To: mysterio

It is my opinion that smoking does cause cancer, it just doesn’t cause it in everyone who smokes. There are other factors involved, smoking is one.


50 posted on 01/05/2010 7:41:59 PM PST by Ditter
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To: mysterio
I don't begrudge any adult their right to consume a substance as they see fit. However, an adult will inform him or herself of the consequences of consuming the substance and make a fully informed decision.

Highly disingenuous. Over 95% of all smokers start as kids. By the time they become adults they are addicted and can't quit.

51 posted on 01/05/2010 7:45:02 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: dearolddad

good one........LOL


52 posted on 01/05/2010 8:08:25 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Balding_Eagle
I have said this before, so I'll say it again

The democrats went after the tobacco companies because 70-80% of their donations went to republicans.....

53 posted on 01/05/2010 8:12:11 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Allegra
***But you can't tell them much.***

Your right on that score, I have been a smoker since I was 13 and am celebrating my 71st birthday this month...So far no COPD or COLD or any other breathing problems except in summer doing lots of outside work in the flower gardens..

But I do think genetics can influence weather you develop such problems....My father smoked until the age of 50 and quite because of asthma....he lived to be 85 and because he once smoked his death would be included in smokers death... So some of the literature is just plain false...

I will be quitting when my loose tobacco runs out, got a freezer full and will not give the GD government any more taxes. Thats my motivator for quitting...

But no one knows what the future holds....

54 posted on 01/05/2010 8:19:36 PM PST by goat granny
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To: dagogo redux

I have no idea whether your pipe stinks, or what it’s done to your teeth. You obviously aren’t addicted, and it probably isn’t costing you much money.

Which raises the question: What on Earth makes you think I was talking about you?

As for my perspective, my wife had to watch her father smoke himself to death (emphysema). It was a God-awful, ugly, painful death and he basically worked his wife into the grave while he was at it. She was so busy taking care of him that she ignored her own “back problems” until her kidneys failed because it turns out she had cervical cancer. She looked like a concentration camp survivor for the last nine months of her life and died just before her 62nd birthday.

My wife got to bury both of them three years ago last month, and has nightmares about it almost every night. So yes, I am a tad biased when it comes to tobacco. Best of luck with your harmless hobby.


55 posted on 01/05/2010 8:33:56 PM PST by Go_Raiders ("Being able to catch well in a crowd just means you can't get open, that's all." -- James Lofton)
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To: Go_Raiders

I buried both of my parents, too. It happens, people die, parents tend to die before their children. My Mom never smoked yet she still died.

I’m sorry for your loss, your wife’s loss. Burying one’s parents, at least for me, is something that was very difficult even though it’s the natural order of things. It’s been 10 years since I buried my Dad and 3 since I buried my Mom.

Anecdotal info aside, people die. Even healthy people, who never smoked, always ate nutritional meals, exercised daily...dying is a part of life, the last part for sure.

I doubt your FIL “smoked himself to death” but understand that your MIL was “so busy taking care of him that she ignored her own back problems...” since it’s usually what primary caregivers do...they ignore their own stuff while taking care of loved ones.

My Dad smoked 3 packs a day for as long as I can recall. He ate all the wrong foods, and loved his sweets...especially donuts and TastyKake Lemon pies. He fought in WWII and survived for 5 decades after that...he survived the Great Depression, WWII, raised a bunch of kids, was a firefighter. So he smoked cigarettes. I’d never slam his life or his memory because of what he ate or smoked or drank or what he did for a living.

My mother died 3 years ago, at 85. She never smoked, rarely drank alcohol, ate a healthy diet other than those years during the Great Depression when she barely ate, and was active physically, mentally, etc.

Both of my parents deaths were quite peaceful regardless of what ravaged their bodies.


56 posted on 01/05/2010 9:26:36 PM PST by Twink
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To: Drango
Spare me the twisting of what I said to fit your zealotry. Of course I don't support kids smoking. I hate smoking, and wasted years doing it. I quit.

That being said, I don't support a failed drug war. If an adult wants to use a substance, he or she should be able to. However, it is their own personal responsibility to make an informed choice. That was the point of my post.
57 posted on 01/05/2010 9:32:47 PM PST by mysterio
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To: mysterio

Spare me the sanctimonious slight of hand that it’s only an ADULT problem.


58 posted on 01/05/2010 9:57:28 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: neverdem
Neither does second-hand smoke. Obviously.

The EPA Report

59 posted on 01/05/2010 11:04:54 PM PST by TigersEye (Tar & feathers! Pitchforks and torches! ... Get some while supplies last.)
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To: neverdem
Hmmm. Tobaccogate? Not long after we learn the plante won't auto-ignite from CO2?

A lot of money in the anti-smoking industry, and I won't argue that even without cancer risk it doesn't do your lungs any great favors...

60 posted on 01/05/2010 11:08:11 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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