[rxsid]

"The finding of this law is important because it proves that there existed, at the time of Barry's (alleged, 1961) birth, a way for foreign born baby's to obtain a HI birth certificate.

now that's interesting..."

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Perhaps, it was by this very law (HI Territorial Law 57), that someone was able to fill out this application (?) for a HI birth certificate that was only ever FILED and never ACCEPTED. Then, when HRS 338-17.8 was passed (in 1982), the record was ammended to coincide with the new updated statue...perhaps triggered by someone needing a copy of the original record for some reason.

[rxsid]

"What in fact the territorial statute in effect before the 1982 statute sets out is an even greater latitude enabling and entitling persons to register a child for up to a year after its birth and to do so, if not attended by a locally licensed physician or midwife, for the parents or one of them to fill out the birth certificate or for a “local registrar” to fill out a birth certificate “from anyone having knowledge of the birth.” Thus a child born outside of Hawaii and attended by a non-Hawaii licensed health care provider or born unattended could get a Hawaii birth certificate nonetheless."

HI Territorial Law 57

[Fred Nerks]

Yes, I'm as certain as anyone can be, that you have it exactly as it happened, and that someone was the GRANDMOTHER.

But as the evidence suggests, she was unable to obtain an actual CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE because she had no supporting documentation.

So the APPLICATION remained FILED.

And what we have been shown is probably an ABSTRACT of the original APPLICATION...and that is also why the initial CoLB shown had no certificate number.

The black rectangle didn't cover a number IMO, the black rectangle was placed there to hide the fact there never was a number at all...

[American Constitutionalist]

” FILED “ and “ ACCEPTED “ has 2 different meanings ...

[Kenny Bunk]

New document to me! Where's this been hiding, and what does Leo say?

Real? Fake? Real fake? Who has it? How? WTHk over.

[WhizCodger]

”Perhaps, it was by this very law (HI Territorial Law 57), that someone was able to fill out this application (?) for a HI birth certificate that was only ever FILED and never ACCEPTED. Then, when HRS 338-17.8 was passed (in 1982), the record was ammended to coincide with the new updated statue...perhaps triggered by someone needing a copy of the original record for some reason.”

For the record, I have linked below a copy of the September 19, 1940 ‘Application for Social Security Account Number’ for Madelyn Payne Dunham, Barack Obama’s maternal grandmother. Importantly, the SS form contains her signature, which can thus be compared to what is intended to be her signature in the 18a box on the Blaine BC Application. One must remember that approximately 19 years has elapsed between the first and second signatures so evolutionary changes in style are to be expected.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/MadelynDunham-SSAppl.pdf

The referenced SS Application was obtained from the Orly Taitz, “Defend Our Freedoms Foundation” website. Orly entered a 3/1/10 post titled, “I Need Forensic Document Experts, Signature Experts, Investigators to Work on this and get Any and All Info” The post contains a copy of a letter to Orly from Paula Hoehn with the SS Application attached as a link. The following is an excerpt from the cover letter from Ms. Hoehn to Dr. Taitz.

“Attached are Soc Sec Applications for Obama’s grandparents Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, and a woman named Shirley Jean (Applebee) Dunham born in Washington. Also, attached is the accompanying letter to me from Dawn Wiggins, Freedom of Info Officer, Soc Sec”

I am not a handwriting analysis expert. My conclusion, after examining the two signatures, is they have numerous differences, yet some similarities as well, so I can draw no clear impression either way. Thus, I could draw no definite conclusion, based on the signatures, concerning the authenticity of the Blaine BC document.