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So if NAMBLA started calling itself a Republican organization, you'd think a conservative should support them?

To be perfectly frank, I'm not sure the Republican Party is a Conservative organization.

As for NAMBLA, I am a conservative, and they do not get my support anyway. However, they have a right to their thoughts and opinions, just not the legal right to act on them.

Where do you get this "one or two members" standard? At what number do you say, "I'm seeing a trend, no matter what the organization's 'official' statements"?

It is my own. admittedly. How many would you require? One troll and FR is down the toilet? Two? How many?

Yours is the My Lai argument, used to brand returning veterans from SE Asia as "baby killers" because a few in one unit stepped over the line.

Unless you can prove that persons who are involved in setting the policy of the organization are in fact lying in their official statements, with the intent to diabolically deceive, then the actions of the individual members taken as individuals are just that--individual people's actions. Or would you brand every cop a criminal because some are taking bribes from drug dealers?

Should we support ACORN because they don't explicitly state they're going to try to steal elections?

When criminal behaviour is endemic in an organization, and the leaders and primary sponsors can be shown to have criminal intent, then the organization should be treated appropriately.

ACORN's founders and subsequent management, local and national, appear to be in direct alignment in their goals. There is evidence of wrongdoing, and the RICO investigation would take quite a while and tremendous resources, but will not happen because of connections to the very same people who on this website are decried as Marxists, ironically, often by the same people you seem to feel are "nutjobs", and who were asking about ACORN long before I saw anything about the organization in the news.

I've met a lot more than just one, and I've yet to meet the 'one' who is as clean of bizarre ideas as the "official" organization claims. Who should I believe, their "official" position or my lyin' eyes?

Even though I am a Christian, I must admit any idea presented in the right way can be bizzare. Like those of us who believe the Son of God was born to a virgin, lived as a sinless man, was executed by crucifixion, and resurrected before ascending into Heaven that those of us who could not live such a blameless life might be forgiven our sins and able to spend eternity close to the God wo loves us.

Everyone has a crackpot idea or two, and it all depends on how you look at it whether you consider it "crackpot".

So, specifically, what bizarre beliefs do you mean?

We've gotten over the one about the world being round (uh, true), and not the center of the universe (gosh, that one, too), so what heresies did you have in mind?

You have no idea how I "look at history," so this paragraph is menaingless straw.

True, which is why I said "might".

I can't despise both wacko leftists (who never "officially" say they're going to socialize this country--only a few in the bunch SAY it--AND wacko rightists?

Last I heard, you are free to despise anyone who isn't of a protected group, which means conservative, generally melanin deprived folks who are likely to breed their own children.

I guess if your 'friends' stab you it doesn't bleed as much, but the Constitution hasn't really been followed since before 1860 and most even here would scream bloody blue murder if it was.

Again, straw, has nothing to do with the issue we're discussing.

Not this time. In fact, it is the essential part of the whole argument. The only "crackpot" idea I have seen from the JBS folks is one of upholding the Constitution of the United States.

There is no Constitutional authority for many things our Government does, whether they were instituted by Democrat or Republican administrations, and many people--even on this site--would howl like skinned cats if those programs were shut down tomorrow. Not all of the programs, but this place is inhabited by a fair contingent of exceptional conservatives, who are conservative...except...

If SSI was shut down tomorrow, some would complain. Medicare. Federal Highway funding. Medicaid. The list goes on.

You're making my point--they pay lip service to their anti-communist stuff, but what do they REALLy do?

Well, for starters, they inform anyone who will listen what is going on. Before I 'found' Free Republic, I read their magazine, and they were way ahead of any other news source on what was going on in Washington--by six months to a year. Their position on the Constitution and their evaluation standards for those in office have not changed in that time, nor have their stringent criteria of evaluating political behaviour regardless of the party of the actors involved.

Of course, if you assume they are "crackpots", you won;t see that. Which is why I question your and other Alinskyite attempts to brand them as such. Isolate...etc.

What have the Birchers done to protect the constitution, other than that lip service you're talking about?

Educate people as to the Consititution and original intent. An ignorant populace is easily enslaved.

Which makes me wonder why you, specifically, have such animosity toward them. Surely you must have something other than them supposedly being "crackpots", something other than their saying for years that we have been trending toward global socialism, whether you call it "The New World Order" or not (Daddy Bush's words, not mine). SOmething other than their decrying the extraConstitutional actions taken by the Federal Government, regardless of who takes those actions.

So please, spell out the official positions they are taking, or even have taken which have led you to where your attitude is today.

I do not know the deep dark history of the organization, and I am not a member, I have only read some of what they have put out over the last couple of decades and have not seen anything so wrong nor objectionable as you seem to have seen. .