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Marriage Goes on Trial (could determine the future of marriage in the entire United States)
NC Register ^ | January 11, 2010 | SUE ELLIN BROWDER

Posted on 01/11/2010 4:27:14 PM PST by NYer

CNS photo/Rick DelVecchio, Catholic San Francisco

SAN FRANCISCO — The outcome of a trial opening today in federal court could determine the future of marriage in the entire United States.

That’s the conviction of many closely connected with the Perry v. Schwarzenegger case, the second attempt in a year to strike down California’s Prop. 8 marriage-defense amendment, which was passed by 7 million voters.

“This case will likely go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court and could determine the future of marriage for the whole country,” said Bill May, who chaired the lay Catholic coalition supporting the ProtectMarriage.com campaign. That campaign ushered Prop. 8 to victory on the November 2008 ballot.   

Many believe the trial opening today in San Francisco is just the first step in a much broader battle plan. “If [same-sex “marriage” forces] win at the Supreme Court level, they will have imposed a national right to gay ‘marriage’ in all 50 states,” said Maggie Gallagher, president of the National Organization for Marriage. “That’s their goal.  That’s what they’re asking for.”


The Second Prop. 8 Assault
The first attempt to strike down Prop. 8 as unconstitutional failed on May 26 of last year when California’s Supreme Court ruled that the people of California have the right to amend their own constitution.

But the very next day, a newly minted organization called the American Foundation for Equal Rights announced that they had filed a lawsuit challenging Prop. 8 in federal court on behalf of two same-sex couples denied California marriage licenses. An article in this month’s California Lawyer magazine reveals that the plan to form the American Foundation for Equal Rights and challenge Prop. 8 in federal court was inspired in part by Hollywood director Rob Reiner and others in the entertainment industry.

Although named as defendant in the suit, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declined to defend Prop. 8 on the grounds that the legality of the measure is up for the courts to decide.

So ProtectMarriage.com took up the baton, petitioning the court to allow its legal team to replace the governor and state attorney general and to represent the voters.

Joining forces to represent the same-sex couples for the American Foundation for Equal Rights are star litigators Ted Olson and David Boies, the attorneys who opposed each other in the 2000 Bush-Gore battle over electoral votes in Florida.


A Circus Atmosphere

In an unprecedented move, U.S. district court Chief Judge Vaughn Walker has allowed the proceedings to be televised and to be broadcast at the end of each day on YouTube.

It’s the first time TV cameras have been permitted in a federal courtroom for a trial. On Saturday, attorneys defending Prop. 8 filed an emergency appeal with the Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, arguing that their client’s right to a fair trial would be jeopardized if each day’s proceedings were posted on YouTube.

“ProtectMarriage.com fought the order to have cameras in the courtroom because it creates a kind of circus atmosphere and it’s intimidating to witnesses on our side,” May said. “In addition, by permitting the proceedings to be posted on YouTube, the judge is opening up the testimony to all kinds of editing, misuse and abuse to further the cause of same-sex ‘marriage’ proponents.”

“An apparent purpose — and surely the obvious effect — of the show trial that [Chief Judge] Walker is staging is to make Proposition 8’s sponsors pay as high a price as possible for their exercise of First Amendment rights,” blogged Ethics and Public Policy Center’s president, Ed Whelan, in National Review Online.

Basically, the attorneys challenging Prop. 8 “want to make out everybody defending marriage to appear to be bigots and discriminatory,” May said. “It could get ugly.”

“Prop. 8 was passed by 7 million Californians.  Are they all bigots? Are they all prejudiced?” asks Charles LiMandri of the Thomas More Law Center, general counsel for the National Organization for Marriage in California.

The passage of Prop. 8, LiMandri said, was ”well-grounded in hundreds of years of research and thousands of years of human experience that marriage [between a man and a woman] is best for kids and best for society.”

In the busy days leading up to the trial, Olson and Boies were both unavailable for comment. But Boies’ law firm e-mailed the Register a Wall Street Journal opinion piece in which Boies called the passage of Prop. 8 by California voters “the residue of centuries of figurative and literal gay-bashing.”

Boies regards the fight for same-sex “marriage” to be an act of compassion and justice. “Gays and lesbians are our brothers and sisters, our teachers and doctors, our friends and neighbors, our parents and children,” Boies said. “It is time, indeed past time, that we accord them the basic human right to marry the person they love.”

In the Philadelphia Enquirer, Boies wrote that “it is argued that same-sex marriages are inconsistent with religious teachings. As a Christian, I would disagree.”

He referred to Matthew 22:35-40, where Jesus declares that the two greatest commandments are to love God and neighbor.

In response to that, Bishop Salvatore Cordileone of Oakland, Calif., said, “Every Bible passage which refers to marriage presumes that it is the union of a man and a woman. This is consistent with the understanding of marriage in every human society since the beginning of the human race, without exception, irrespective of how different societies throughout history have regarded sexual activity between people of the same sex.”

Bishop Cordileone, who was active in the Prop. 8 campaign, said that all societies have seen marriage as necessary for the procreation and upbringing of the next generation of citizens.

“Children naturally come from a father and mother, and it is in their and societies’ best interest that they grow up with their father and mother in a stable, loving relationship,” he said. “While this is not always possible, society, for its own good as well as that of its children, should not intentionally deprive children of this fundamental good.”

He also pointed out that marriage is based on natural law, not religious teaching. “Religious teaching builds upon it and deepens our understanding of it; it never contradicts it or replaces it,” he said. “There are lots of different kinds of human relationships, including the intimacy of friendship, but only marriage has the status that it does in the law because of its unique role as a human relationship which affects the public good.  No other relationship, no matter how laudatory, has that power.  One does not have to be a believer to understand that marriage can only exist between a man and a woman.”


Supreme Court Prospects

The question remains as to the prospects for success of the challenge and a possible appeal to the Supreme Court of the United States. Olson was confident.

“I’ve practiced law for 45 years, and David [Boies] has a number of years under his belt, too,” he told The Wall Street Journal. “Neither of us has ever been accused of taking a case to lose. We are going to win this case.”

But many believe the American Foundation for Equal Rights and their attorneys have miscalculated, especially on the Supreme Court level.

“History says the odds at the Supreme Court now are not so good,” read a statement issued last May by nine leading homosexual-activist groups, including the Human Rights Campaign, Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders and the American Civil Liberties Union.

After the California Supreme Court declared Prop. 8 constitutional, the groups warned their followers that suing in a federal court is “a temptation we should resist. It is by no means clear that a federal challenge to Prop. 8 can win now.”

Further, the leaders of the same-sex “marriage” movement cited “serious risks if we go to the Supreme Court and lose,” one being that if the nation’s highest court doesn’t support same-sex “marriage,” state courts will be less likely to do so.

With four justices on the Supreme Court being faithful Catholics and others able to be persuaded, LiMandri calculates there are enough votes on the current Supreme Court for traditional marriage to win.

“What the other side wants is for more Supreme Court justices to retire and give Barack Obama the opportunity to make additional appointments,” LiMandri said. Obama could shift the balance of power on the court in same-sex “marriage” advocates’ favor.

Attorney Austin Nimocks of the Alliance Defense Fund, part of the ProtectMarriage.com legal team, said he wouldn’t be surprised if the case went to the Supreme Court, “but it’s certainly not necessary. The U.S. Supreme Court already decided this issue in 1972, and there’s no reason why it needs to be decided again.”

In the 1972 Baker v. Nelson decision, two men demanded a marriage license. The Minnesota Supreme Court ruled state law limited marriage to opposite-sex couples, and the U.S. Supreme Court dismissed the appeal. “The Supreme Court justices agreed that there was no right for a same-sex couple to acquire a marriage license, which is the exact issue in California,” Nimocks said.

Various homosexual activists have called the Perry suit “reckless” and “premature.”

But Nimocks called the timing “irrelevant.”

“The notion that it’s ‘premature’ assumes that there’s somehow a same-sex ‘marriage’ victory on this issue later down the road. And we absolutely don’t accept that,” Nimocks said. “You know, 31 out of 31 states have voted on this issue and have affirmed marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Americans are very clear and unified on this point. There’s no reason to believe that there’s a fundamental right in the U.S. Constitution to same-sex ‘marriage.’ There is no place in time in American history — past, present or future — for same-sex ‘marriage.’”

The trial opening today contrasts with decades of careful strategizing by homosexual-activist groups, who have long favored a slow, incremental strategy of mainstreaming homosexual behavior and legalizing same-sex “marriage.” The Perry case is a high-stakes confrontation that many same-sex “marriage” advocates fear could backfire and set back their agenda for decades.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: catholic; homosexualagenda; lawsuit; marriage; prop8; samesexmarriage; scotus
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1 posted on 01/11/2010 4:27:18 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
This is sheer insanity! The voters have spoken. The voted for marriage baased on one woman and one man.

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2 posted on 01/11/2010 4:28:40 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

California voted not once, but twice, to uphold traditional marriage.


3 posted on 01/11/2010 4:31:07 PM PST by iowamark
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To: NYer

Let the perverts rant and rave all they want. Hell will be all the more punative for them. God set marriage to be what it is, one woman and one man. No freaks and their unholy arrangements can alter that.


4 posted on 01/11/2010 4:32:50 PM PST by dumpthelibs (dumpthelibs)
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To: NYer
Joining forces to represent the same-sex couples for the American Foundation for Equal Rights are star litigators Ted Olson and David Boies, the attorneys who opposed each other in the 2000 Bush-Gore battle over electoral votes in Florida.

Maybe this is considered "speaking ill of the dead", but I wonder what Barbara Olson (had she not been a tragic victim of 9/11) would say about her husband's activities these days.

God bless and save this country.

5 posted on 01/11/2010 4:35:51 PM PST by workerbee (Yes, I hate Obama because of his color: RED!)
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To: NYer
So the people can no longer even ammend our Constiution (State) or pass laws that enter into force.

We do not live in Republic, but in a dictatorship, run by black robed fools.

Why do they think we will quietly acquiese to this? A law degree and a judicial appointment do not make one a demi-god.

The time draws near when these issues are settled outside the marble halls.

6 posted on 01/11/2010 4:43:40 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: NYer
If the case is decided in the vacuum of the 14th Amendment, the plaintiffs will win.

Equal protection and all that.

I can't come up with an argument in opposition...besides "it just ain't right". No LEGAL argument though.

7 posted on 01/11/2010 4:44:58 PM PST by Mariner
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To: NYer
Face it, people, the homos are not going to give up until they get what they want, public opinion and stare decisis be damned.

This issue could end up being a nation-breaker. People are that PO'd.

8 posted on 01/11/2010 4:54:29 PM PST by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: Mariner

The plaintiffs’ argument is that Prop 8 denies their rights for “no good reason.” Olson used that quoted phrase multiple times in his opening statement. He used that phrase because this trial will basically hinge on whether or not the state has a good reason to limit marriage to one man and one woman.

If the defendants can establish that Prop 8 serves a legitimate state interest, then they will prevail. Incidentally, they may prevail regardless, because I doubt SCOTUS will overturn marriage laws in 45 States even if they believe they have cause to do so.. They aren’t as aloof of political concerns as they pretend to be.


9 posted on 01/11/2010 4:55:20 PM PST by ivyleaguebrat
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To: NYer
I have a question. Why on earth would the gay community want marriage when they should know they will also be subject to the marriage tax penalty? or would they be exempt like the Amish is for the health care tax or fines...
10 posted on 01/11/2010 4:55:22 PM PST by celtic gal (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: jeffc

You know, the decision to broadcast the proceedings may backfire against the homos, iritating people enough to get them off their duffs and start telling the homos, the courts and the politicians (not to mention the media, who care nothing about the “little people”) that enough is enough.


11 posted on 01/11/2010 4:57:36 PM PST by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: Mariner
I can't come up with an argument in opposition...besides "it just ain't right". No LEGAL argument though.

Shoot, that's easy. A homosexual can marry exactly one person from the opposite sex, the same as a heterosexual can.

Is a heterosexual allowed to marry a member of the same sex? No. So why should a homosexual be allowed to do so?

Is a white allowed to marry a member of the same sex? No. Is a black allowed to marry a member of the same sex? No.

Is a woman allowed to marry a member of the same sex? No. Is a man allowed to marry a member of the same sex? No.

See, perfect equal protection. In fact, I would submit that allowing homosexuals to marry would violate equal protection!!!

12 posted on 01/11/2010 4:57:55 PM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Jack Black

becarful Jack, the “black robed wraiths” may be watching...


13 posted on 01/11/2010 4:59:39 PM PST by Beamreach
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To: NYer

This should have never happened.


14 posted on 01/11/2010 5:03:55 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: NYer
See Ed Meese's NY Times piece: Stacking the Deck Against Proposition 8: Pretrial rulings may put the opponents of same-sex marriage at a disadvantage in court.
15 posted on 01/11/2010 5:05:23 PM PST by x
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To: ivyleaguebrat
no good reason

Proof by ignorance: I don't understand why x is true, therefore it is false. Aristotle forgot to mention this logic in his treatise. It is a favorite of the liberal left.

"I don't understand why marriage is between a man and a woman. I don't understand why we need the electoral college. I don't understand why the laffer curve is true. . . . "

Washington, Madison, Hamilton, Morris etc are rolling over in their graves.

16 posted on 01/11/2010 5:09:42 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: Mariner

Ted Olson will argue Equal Protection and Stevens, Bryer, Ginsberg, Kennedy and Sotomayor will buy it.


17 posted on 01/11/2010 5:10:09 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: NYer
California Lawyer magazine

A far left publication. Drearily, consistently, predictably month in and month out lefty magazine.

18 posted on 01/11/2010 5:17:39 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: NYer

NYER one thing about us Californians we CAN RECALL OUR Cali supreme court

Hear of Rose Bird and the Supremes


19 posted on 01/11/2010 5:31:10 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: celtic gal
Why on earth would the gay community want marriage when they should know they will also be subject to the marriage tax penalty?

Maybe they don't want marriage. Perhaps what they are really after is all of the benefits of marriage without the consequences.

It would be in keeping with their politics and moral code.

20 posted on 01/11/2010 5:31:17 PM PST by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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