AZ State Rep Crafting Eligibility Bill

The Right Side of Life ^ | 01/14/2010 | Phil

[Phil_GA]

Sun City, Arizona-based YourWestValley.com reported yesterday that State Representative Judy Burges (R-Skull Valley) is in the process of putting together a bill that would require a presidential or vice presidential candidate's eligibility to be independently verified by the Arizona Secretary of State. Essentially, if the candidate's eligibility isn't substantiated, the proposed legislation is said to require the SoS to drop the candidate from the ballot:

Burges told Capitol Media Services the measure is not necessarily about Obama, though she admitted she has her doubts that he was born in Hawaii as he claims and, even if so, that he can show he is a U.S. citizen.

"With what's happening throughout the world, that we need to make sure that our candidates are certifiable,'' she said.

Burges did not support Obama and is not a fan. And she said if, in fact, he was not a ''natural born'' citizen, that makes him suspect.

"When someone bows to the king of Saudi Arabia and they apologize for our country around the world, I have a problem with that,'' she said.

State Rep. Burges was referring to the President's "no-bow" bow to the king of Saudi Arabia that occurred back in April, 2009.

The story continues:

The kind of certification Burges wants, though, could be more difficult than simply checking for a valid birth certificate, as the arguments about his legal qualification go beyond whether he was actually born in Hawaii. ...

Burges' bill, if it becomes law, would put the Secretary of State in the position of having to determine whether the individual circumstances of a candidate's life disqualify him or her from being on the Arizona ballot.

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Much more at posting...

[GalaxieFiveHundred]

According to U.S. Constitution Online (usconstitution.net):

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship as: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Title 8 of the U.S. Code, Section 1401 further defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

*Anyone born inside the United States.

* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe.

* Anyone born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

* Anyone born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national.

* Anyone born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year.

* Anyone found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21.

* Anyone born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time).

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President.

[Seizethecarp]

I love your blog, but for about a month my IE closes after about a minute of connection when I go there. I don't have this problem at any other site. Is it just me, or is there maybe an insidious anti-birther trojan at work?

I believe there are such trojans that used to attack me after I connected to Donofrio’s and Taitz’ sites, although those stopped after I dumped McAfee and installed MS Security Essentials.

[fwdude]

What a fantastic idea.

But like most fantastic ideas, like voters having to actually prove who they are, this will get shot down by liberals and their courts.

[WellyP]

BS! DO you homework!
“Anyone born inside the United States.”, is a “Native born” Citizen and NOT a Natural Born Citizen!

[RedneckReb]

Seems pretty clear to me...he’ll lose in ‘12 on his terrible agenda not this nonsense.

[freekitty]

Good.

[danamco]

You have a number of the ZERO-BRIGADE of “AFTER-BIRTHERS” spamming on this issue and they will give a ghost answer to your question, just wait and see, they come up on the Prairie like hungry lemmings!!!

[Condor51]

*** Will someone please tell me how you can be a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ when your father is not an American? ***

1) If you are born in the USA (14th Amendment)
2) if your Mother is a US citizen
and
see; Title 8 of the US Code. (Federal Laws)

[GalaxieFiveHundred]

BS! DO you homework!

Take a breath. Except for the first sentence in my post, it's all info direct from the U.S. Constitution Online website, not my interpretation of it. Just the messenger in this case, not the creator.

[Phil_GA]

*** Will someone please tell me how you can be a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ when your father is not an American? ***

1) If you are born in the USA (14th Amendment)
2) if your Mother is a US citizen
and
see; Title 8 of the US Code. (Federal Laws)

Now, state the law that applies the above to presidential eligibility.

(Hint: I don't think you'll be able to find it)

-Phil

[chopperman]

This determines if he’s just a citizen, not a ‘Natural Born’ citizen.

A ‘Natural Born’ citizen also has to have both parents be citizens. This is to minimize doubts about his loyalty to our country.

[bjorn14]

Well, at least from 1952-1986...now just being born in the US or it’s territories makes you a citizen. Your parents could be from Mars.

[Condor51]

*** This determines if he’s just a citizen, not a ‘Natural Born’ citizen. A ‘Natural Born’ citizen also has to have both parents be citizens. ***

Nope, that doesn't just confirm one's a citizen. Reread title 8 again, carefully.

And I hate to tell you but 'Natural Born Citizen' has never been legally defined. You can search any online Law Library and there isn't any (I prefer FindLaw). The only place the term 'natural born' occurs is in the US Constitution.

And if what you're saying was true, if I understand you correctly, then a person born in the USA of a 'native (natural) born' US citizen (me in Chi) and a naturalized citizen (my wife in Germany) couldn't be POTUS because our kids may have allegiance to Germany. That is patently absurd. Plus my daughters wouldn't like it.

[mcshot]

You can’t!

[mcshot]

...”Burges told Capitol Media Services the measure is not necessarily about Obama, though she admitted she has her doubts that he was born in Hawaii as he claims and, even if so, that he can show he is a U.S. citizen.”...

I beginning to think he’s not even a citizen(Kenyan) and if he is where is the proof. Lack of citizenship may explain some of his disdain for our Country.

[chopperman]

What you state only determines if he’s just a citizen, not a ‘Natural Born’ citizen.

A ‘Natural Born’ citizen also has to have both parents be citizens. This is to minimize doubts about his loyalty to our country.

Your children would be eligible because the parents do not have to be “Natural Born” but just be American citizens at the time of the child’s respective births.

I recommend that you read about Chester Arthur.

It was learned belatedly that Chester Arthur was ineligible because his father was not an American citizen. He knowingly hid this:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2008/12/06/leo-donofrio-further-comments-on-chester-arthur-dr-taitz-explains-the-hawaii-birth-certificate-issue/

We are now expected to believe that two wrongs make a right.

[El Gato]

Burges told Capitol Media Services the measure is not necessarily about Obama, though she admitted she has her doubts that he was born in Hawaii as he claims and, even if so, that he can show he is a U.S. citizen.

If he was born in Hawaii, he's a citizen, but not a Natural Born Citizen, as required by the Constitution.

[melancholy]

I beginning to think he’s not even a citizen(Kenyan) and if he is where is the proof. Lack of citizenship may explain some of his disdain for our Country.

I'll take that and raise you another: he ain't that "highly" educated either, GPAs in the sewer, not articulate at all w/o a teleprompter, and a negative IQ (brilliant my foot!) What I said can't be debunked without showing authentic education records. This is why they are sealed. Whether these ghostly records reveal foreign student status, etc. is a good question.

[melancholy]

You’re right; however, I didn’t write what you’re referring to.

[rxsid]

HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?

 

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

 

 

Furthermore:  Hawaii's Territorial Law, Chapter 57 - "VITAL STATISTICS, I", shown beginning pg 23 of 29, (the law in effect in 1961) allowed baby's born anywhere in the world to be eligible to apply for a Hawaii birth certificate.