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To: Don Joe
So? Take it via eminent domain. I believe the Supreme Court had decreed that it's okeydoke IF you can show that it will be transferred to developers who will generate positive tax revenue over the current owners.
Give it out to homesteaders who will promise to develop it and pay property taxes.

I don't think it'd be too hard to find people willing to accept 40 acres to clear and farm. Or build towns, shopping centers, factories, airports, etc.”

That is a wonderful Idea.

I'd rather not turn our hunting land into airports..L.O.L

Anyhow:
States that pay out the most welfare checks, with government assistance:
1. California
2. Maine
3. Tennessee
4. Massachusetts
5. Vermont
6. District of Columbia
7. New York
8. Minnesota
9. Washington
10. Indiana
11. New Mexico
12, Rhode Island
13. Michigan
14. Pennsylvania
15. Oregon

103 posted on 01/23/2010 4:22:00 AM PST by Idabilly
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To: Idabilly

Is that list in order of who pays out the most?


115 posted on 01/23/2010 10:17:58 AM PST by wastedyears (If I'm going out, I'm going out like Major Kong.)
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To: Idabilly
Me:
So? Take it via eminent domain. I believe the Supreme Court had decreed that it's okeydoke IF you can show that it will be transferred to developers who will generate positive tax revenue over the current owners. Give it out to homesteaders who will promise to develop it and pay property taxes. I don't think it'd be too hard to find people willing to accept 40 acres to clear and farm. Or build towns, shopping centers, factories, airports, etc.”

You:
That is a wonderful Idea. I'd rather not turn our hunting land into airports..L.O.L
Wow...

I'm just blown away by this TEXTBOOK illustration you've provided.

There are SO many appropriate responses to that. For example, "Well, we now know your price!" or, "The perfect slave thinks he's free" and on and on and on... (And let's not forget W.C. Fields' quip as to "we have already established what you are... now we're merely dickering over the price.")

But instead, I think I'll merely pass along Mr. Adams' suggestion to those readily sated with the graces proffered by the state: "Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you..."

And to any others who might be thinking your "Montana Compromise [or, Idaho, if I parse your moniker correctly]" (to coin a phrase) sounds at ALL reasonable, I will merely ask how satisfied you'll remain once your rulers inform you that the brutal, retrograde, violent, dangerous-for-children, unfit for a progressive age (etc. etc. etc.) act of hunting is no longer to be ALLOWED on "federal lands."

I'd also muse that a reasonable man might consider that it's not an all-or-nothing proposition. I do not recall having suggested that the state be paved from border to border. In fact, during the earlier homesteading expansion, there was plenty of land remaining for hunting.

But why even bother mentioning any of this?

If the hardcore conservative faction is readily reined in by fear of loss of hunting on government-owned lands ("We take your land, and then we let you hunt on it, so long as it pleases us to allow this"), then it's truly hopeless.

"Creeping socialism" appears to have crept entirely under the tent. If conservatives are unwilling to trade off private ownership of land in their state, simply because the government for the time being allows them to hunt on said land, then what can we expect of "the great middle" -- those satisfied with MUCH cheaper "bread and circuses"?

America, we hardly knew ye.

Kinda sad to see what's become of the last best hope for freedom -- the last best hope for humanity.

If this is truly typical of what we have become, then we truly have become a nation of sheep -- and our sole remaining hope is that our masters will show some consideration as they shear us -- and, that they continue to find us worthy providers WORTH shearing, because once we no longer provide enough wool, we'll find that sheep are dual-purpose livestock.

Can anyone tell me what these states hope to accomplish by passing this pointless feel-good legislation, since when push comes to shove, their citizens will freely prefer being owned by the government?

For a few, their personal price is the "right" to hunt on government lands. For many more, the price will be the continued "gift" of food stamps, welfare payments, and so forth. Who is left with NO price? Perhaps a few scoundrels living outside the law. Hardly the sort I'd want to cast MY lot with.

Oh, well, let's look on the brighter side -- I notice that the lawmakers of my own state are working on a similar piece of legislation. At least I won't have to fear losing my monthly disability stipend from the government, since I have no doubt that the bold legislators in the state capitol will fold like a cheap suit when the time comes.

120 posted on 01/24/2010 7:32:12 AM PST by Don Joe ([expletive deleted])
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