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Parents of missing college student end vigil at Fla. campus
The Boston Globe ^ | January 23, 2010 | Travis Andersen

Posted on 01/23/2010 10:59:39 AM PST by topfile

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To: trumandogz
I'm talking about known US Citizens rescued by the United States Government efforts.

I'm not speaking of Race or ethnicity!

I'm concerned that US citizens are becoming global Citizens first... Americans second.

41 posted on 01/23/2010 12:10:07 PM PST by topfile
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To: topfile

The UN was in charge. Finding Americans was not exactly high on their list.


42 posted on 01/23/2010 12:10:10 PM PST by Carley (Are you better off now than one year ago? HELL NO!!!!!)
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To: Carley
The UN was in charge. Finding Americans was not exactly high on their list That's part of the problem!
43 posted on 01/23/2010 12:12:05 PM PST by topfile
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To: topfile

“I’m talking about known US Citizens rescued by the United States Government efforts.”

Yes, part of the US Government’s effort was to rescue Americans, but the primary objective was and remains to save lives, no matter what their nationality.


44 posted on 01/23/2010 12:15:27 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Carley
The UN was in charge. Finding Americans was not exactly high on their list.

Can you provide documentation that would show that the UN gave priority to rescuing citizens of other countries over Americans?

45 posted on 01/23/2010 12:18:28 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: topfile
Another parent of a missing girl was on OReilly show talking about this. Upon hearing of the earthquake her brother flew to the DR, found some ex military guys, rented a helicopter, got into Haiti, got to the Hotel Montana and called her from there on his cell phone.

This was while the US govt was saying to the families that comms were down and no military could get to the hotel.

The French led a recovery effort at the Montana, which was filled before the quake with diplomats, foreigners (100 US citizens including some US Marines) - the French operation did use at least one US search team, but this was NOT coordinated by the the US embassy, which apparently DID NOTHING.

The families were adamant that 7 days after the quake there was still no evidence of any concern for the US victims in the Montana by US authorities in Haiti.

One father broke down and asked BOR to use media pressure to ensure the Hotel search would not be abandoned and that someone would stay there to tell them what was going on.

46 posted on 01/23/2010 12:20:12 PM PST by silverleaf (In college George Bush got C's - Obama probably failed "lunch")
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To: trumandogz

Then tell us that the US embassy did not direct its first efforts to finding US embassy employees and that the UN did not spend its first efforts looking for UN employees.

Three Americans arrived in Baltimore this week from the hotel Montana- they are alive because the French led rescue operations there that saved them.


47 posted on 01/23/2010 12:26:46 PM PST by silverleaf (In college George Bush got C's - Obama probably failed "lunch")
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To: trumandogz
Yes, part of the US Government’s effort was to rescue Americans, but the primary objective was and remains to save lives, no matter what their nationality.

Fair enough, and my position is that that was wrong.

Saving American citizen lives should be first priority for US Government efforts. American Citizens do not come first with our current President. This Administration has proved this over and over again.

48 posted on 01/23/2010 12:32:14 PM PST by topfile
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To: mel

Two approaches are possible in these circumstances. One is to build up an infrastructure capable of handling the crisis, This is, basically, a bureaucratic approach. Immediate help is delayed to insure that adequate resources are available to meet demand at some point in time.
The second is to send small teams of rescuers ahead instantly. Israel did this with their field hospital, set up on day one.
Fire Departments and other emergency responders bypass bureaucracy to provide instantaneous help. Governments and most agencies are more concerned with planning, organization and structure.
Both responses are necessary. Sadly, our administration’s interest in UN bureaucratic procedures does not allow for instant response.
The families are right. Our government’s response to Haiti has been strategically incompetent by failing to provide instantaneous rescue activity.


49 posted on 01/23/2010 12:33:09 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: silverleaf

“Three Americans arrived in Baltimore this week from the hotel Montana- they are alive because the French led rescue operations there that saved them.”

Oh, so you are saying that the French rescuers actually saved Americans as opposed to only trying to rescue French citizens?

Good thing they were not asking for people passport’s before they dug them up from under the rubble.

And I am sure the American rescuers did not ask to see people’s US Passports before saving their lives.


50 posted on 01/23/2010 12:35:16 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: silverleaf
Thanks for bringing this information.

Amazing!

51 posted on 01/23/2010 12:36:34 PM PST by topfile
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To: topfile

And you believe that past presidents would have directed the military during such a disaster to only rescue Americans?


52 posted on 01/23/2010 12:37:33 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
Good thing they were not asking for people passport’s before they dug them up from under the rubble.

Please try to stay within the framework of reality. If you are of the globalist liberal position, I respectfully ask that you make your argument without resorting to these type of silly absolutes.

53 posted on 01/23/2010 12:50:26 PM PST by topfile
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To: trumandogz
If we can find the bodies of these Americans that will be good, but the priority needs to be to "sanitize" these areas so that rotting corpses do not spread more disease.

Decaying corpses have nothing to do with spreading disease after a disaster.

54 posted on 01/23/2010 12:52:25 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: topfile

It is not an absolute.

It is my position that rescuers when rescuing people from earthquake rubble, should follow procedures that include, triage and extracting people and bodies in a manner which is consistent with recommendations of structural engineers and those developed by rescuers that have responded to past earthquake/collapse disasters.

And in those procedures, there is no reference to saving the lives of Americans first, especially when saving the life an American may further endanger the life of other nationalities that are trapped in the rubble.

If you know of any other procedures that are better than those developed by structural engineers and of those developed by rescuers that worked in the Mexico City Quake, the SF Quake or the Northridge Quake, please provide that information.


55 posted on 01/23/2010 1:01:35 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Regulator
I first saw two of the parents on O'Reilly, blaming the US Military for their misfortune.

What sane parent lets their 19-23 year old daughter go to the Western Hemisphere's Porta Potty? Even if there had not been an earthquake it is insanity to send your children to an HIV petri dish full of criminals.

They blame the Military for not caring. They failed to care enough long before the earthquake.

56 posted on 01/23/2010 1:05:04 PM PST by Feckless (Don't care where he was born. The oath I took said "...against all enemies, foreign and domestic".)
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To: Strategerist

There is danger that diseases may spread throughout Haiti if the corpses that litter its streets will not be collected for proper disposition, international aid groups told CNN today.

http://technorati.com/politics/article/corpses-litter-haiti-streets-diseases-may/

And while there is not great risk, there is still a risk that disease can be spread from the corpses especially in an area where there was and is a high incidence of infection among the native population.


57 posted on 01/23/2010 1:09:50 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Feckless
blaming the US Military for their misfortune

Certainly blaming the military is misguided. I saw it too but struck me as desperation.

Unfortunately, the Military ultimately answers to Obama, for now.

58 posted on 01/23/2010 1:12:42 PM PST by topfile
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To: Amos the Prophet

Excruciatingly painful for me to watch the failure of our government in this instance. Those Americans down there for the most part were there to help the people.


59 posted on 01/23/2010 1:27:19 PM PST by mel
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To: topfile

They could not dig thru the Montanna building..it sits on a hill and no one could get to it with heavy machinery to do the job of lifting the debrie.

Furthermore the slabs crumble when they do lift them...the concrete is so poorly made to begin with.

I don’t believe anyone was at all avoiding the Montanna..they did recover some there, those they could reach... and there’s no guarantee this families daughter was even in the building.

I feel sad for all who lost loved ones, but I think it’s unfair and cruel to blame any one who is helping there. Everyone is doing the best they can. Also, important to remember MSM is looking for the story and will frame it however they can to sell the story.


60 posted on 01/23/2010 1:31:37 PM PST by caww
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