Skip to comments.Millions of Unemployed Face Years Without Jobs
Posted on 02/20/2010 6:17:52 PM PST by ricks_place
BUENA PARK, Calif. Even as the American economy shows tentative signs of a rebound, the human toll of the recession continues to mount, with millions of Americans remaining out of work, out of savings and nearing the end of their unemployment benefits.
Economists fear that the nascent recovery will leave more people behind than in past recessions, failing to create jobs in sufficient numbers to absorb the record-setting ranks of the long-term unemployed.
Call them the new poor: people long accustomed to the comforts of middle-class life who are now relying on public assistance for the first time in their lives potentially for years to come.
Yet the social safety net is already showing severe strains. Roughly 2.7 million jobless people will lose their unemployment check before the end of April unless Congress approves the Obama administrations proposal to extend the payments, according to the Labor Department.
Here in Southern California, Jean Eisen has been without work since she lost her job selling beauty salon equipment more than two years ago. In the several months she has endured with neither a paycheck nor an unemployment check, she has relied on local food banks for her groceries.
She has learned to live without the prescription medications she is supposed to take for high blood pressure and cholesterol. She has become effusively religious an unexpected turn for this onetime standup comic with X-rated material finding in Christianity her only form of health insurance.
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It is very hard for males and females, educated or not, to get jobs if you are over 50. This is not a good situation we are in and there is no end in sight. Never would I have thought that busting my back end since the age of 17 would result in my current situation. Worst of all, is listening or reading the comments from people who have no clue.
We get 5 million or so troops under arms and everything is changed.
You're mustering a private army five millon strong? Really? How's that coming along for you?
Extending unemployment insurance to three years is not encouraging people to be realistic and retrain, or take lower paying jobs. It’s popular, but I’ve personally seen several people I know decide just to hang on to it as long as possible and enjoy extended free time.
Anyone that thinks that things are goung to get better is living in a fool’s paradise. For the economy to gey better three things have to happen: 1)Abolish the EPA.2) Get obama and the Democrats out of office. 3) Cut taxes. I do not believe any of the three will happen.
Indeed. I am unemployed because my department was closed....I must be a welfare bum.
(I will not verbalize my thoughts of people who think this way)
I went down the Alice in Wonderland Rabbit Hole in 2002-2003 after the triple whammy of the 2000 Recession - followed by 911 and then topped off by the Corporate scandals - Enron and others... Self employed, I lost all my customers, became near homeless... only by a bare inch... This is what I learned....
In finding a job - appearances matter. My total luck in finding another professional job after some 500 job applications later was secured because I worked at looking and appearing younger than my years...
There was no indicator of age on my resume - none put on the job application. I stripped out dates of college, high school, previous employment... I only put the last 10 years of professional employment. Practice creative writing...
If you are only going in for an interview - and they ask for a drivers license - tell them you were in a hurry and forgot it youll bring it next time.
My advice - keep physically fit - constant battle for me... Over dress a little bit for the interview... They say casual is Okay - then show up in a nice blazer - open collar. Dont ever say anything boasting or negative... Be professional and neutral...
Never - ever mention politics period... The gatekeepers are young and likely liberal - but you can’t always be sure...
Keep the resume short - last 10 years - capsulize your over all talents, skills and abilities in a paragraph... Mention a few successes in your past employment - how you helped the employer.
Dont put any references unless you know for certain what they will say... Prime your references - if possible - with a paragraph or two outlining what you actually did when employed there - specifics that relate to the new job... drop a hint - only a hint that getting this job is really necessary - depends upon how well you know them.
If you have gaps in your 10 year record then be creative - but dont go overboard. I actually had an old buddy - who was also unemployed - trying to run a business out of his home - vouch for me working in that gap time doing something that seem plausible... I did the same for him... Be careful and prudent here...
If you are gray ... dye your hair - even and especially your eyebrows... YES - that is what I said. It can be done cheaply and progressively... tell your family and friends why - you’re getting past the gatekeepers. If they want you to get a job - then they wont razz you for it... You can do a good job of dying your hair cheaply... Go to a beauty supply store - get stuff women use - not the crap they sell for men.
If at all possible dont take jobs at WallMart, Dollar Stores, etc. - if you can help it... Why? Cause if you fall into that lifestyle - youll never get out.
And working 40 hours a week at a dead end low pay job leaves you no time to work at getting a real job. Work part time instead - no more than 20 hours per week - mow lawns - clean out garages - on your schedule .... You must spend 20-30 hours a week or more finding a real job.
Network if you can - it is not easy these days with so many people protecting their own job... But try to find someone - on the inside...
Volunteer at some kind of non profit... I did with Habitat for Humanity ReStore (a type of Thrift Store for building materials). This will help your self esteem and the right kind of outfit will allow contact with people - make new friends helping them I did - got one temporary job out of it... plus I put it on my resume - sounded pretty good. And I got a darn good reference from the ReStore Manager which helped greatly .
I could go on for pages but for now....
Been there more than once. Ended up starting my own company and now have other peoples mortgages depending on me. Now that’s stress!
These are the tough times for believers to apply the faith and declare the promises of scripture that the Lord will provide for the needs (by whatever legitimate ways) lest his people slink down with no hope. Believers rely on the ‘hope and change’ from the Almighty-—not the windy words of Obama!
Great stuff. I’m in my 30’s and it’s scary out there already.
I work for myself but its a constant battle. Customers are very slow in making buying decisions.
Sounds like you: a. paid your dues, b. kept notes during the episode.
Wishing you all the best!!!
If all the troops come back home - they won’t find jobs....
End unemployment extension and voila! Unemployment numbers (as Obama figures them) drop to near zero! Problem solved!
Get an education, etc etc?
Normally good advice if there are job openings.
Been watching the want ads in local papers.
Several years ago, the want ads covered several full pages.
Can cover all categories of ads with palm of my hand.
Just very, very, very little hiring going on.
Here in Calif, real unemployment about 20 pct.
No surprise here. 14 months and counting.
One that isn’t really happening except for the one the media created to keep Obama’s approval from hitting 30%!
our troops already have jobs
if they come home,
they spend their money at home
People are going to have to create their own jobs, instead. Forget the old path of getting a job; you've got to make your own job in the new world.
The hiring train has been derailed, otherwise.
For example, I lease some of my land to a man who "runs cattle" on my property. He was always dirt poor, so he could never before buy enough land to be in the cattle business on his own, but he can cash-flow enough from his cattle to pay me for a grass lease. He doesn't own the land, but he's created his own job. It's a rancher's version of share-cropping, with cattle.
I have another man, a long-time friend of the family, who pays me to bring his clients out for boar hunts on my ranch. Sometimes he'll do deer, as a trophy or two has been bagged out there. I prefer the turkey, ducks, and quail. He's created his own job. He doesn't own the land, yet he can be paid for his hunts.
I'll let the odd kid now and again fish out there to earn a few coins from the local seafood restaurant. Catfish and perch are tasty! Those kids have created their own jobs. No one is hiring them. No one is sending them a paycheck, yet they are earning money on their own.
The NY Times ran an article about an aviation man known as "The Grim Reaper." He repo's airplanes for banks from deadbeats. He's making 6 figures, yet he's not on any company's payroll. He's just out there, getting paid for each aircraft that he brings in.
In all of the above, those guys are creating their own jobs. To me, that's the same concept as the independent dentist or chiropractor with his own little office. That paradigm works. You may not believe it now because as Alvin Toffler says in Future Shock, the new change is something that we deny at first, yet this is how to earn a living by creating your own job. This is the answer going forward.
There won't be a month that goes by that a vagrant or migrant will miss coming by to offer to kill catus (a back-breaking job that is best done by hand because the chemicals that kill those plants take more than a year to reach the roots) or to cut brush. Again, these people are hustling...making their own jobs.
I've been there. I've panned for gold in national parks, built fences, logged trees, cleared trails, etc.
People *can* create their own jobs. Buy a used tow truck and start driving the highways...those people stranded in their broken-down cars need your help...and they are your next "paycheck." Tow truck owners here in Alabama routinely gross $90k per year.
Those who realize that the corporate career hiring track has ended will fair better than those who don't realize/accept that they can/must create their own jobs outside of the old corporate structure.
We've got "change." The old corporate hiring structure is gone. Companies have to downsize, not hire. Lots of guys are newly laid off competing for whatever salaried jobs are left. That's like being one of 10,000 guys in some remote Canadian mining town competing for the one single girl. Don't be one of those 10,000.
Adapt before everyone else. Create your own job.
I think you are right.
Going local and re-thinking will be what will get more people to earning and taking care of their families.
Here is a link to an article about someone doing just that with cars. The customer will build his own car, and the shop has the new design, no GM.
What is interesting to me, is as this contraction in this credit cycle continues, smaller will be better. This will allow for more innovation, more creativity, more local solutions for work.
There must be hundreds of other different ways this kind of new thinking could play out.
I hope what I say helps and gets those in peril a bit of focus to help them out of harms way...
No...see post #71 instead.
>>Isnt it amazing how hard it is for people over 50 to get jobs, regardless of the pay.
My husband and I became full-time RVers/Workampers in 2007
and have never been happier in our lives. It is very freeing to divest yourself of “the stuff”. We spend our time in 5 star beach resorts between MD. and Fl. year-round.
Maybe this will help a few ppl. JUST DO IT! : )
Just the opposite of a third world country. Instead of abandoning people who for the most part are educated and middle class, this provides them with temporary housing and services, with an eye to quickly returning them to employed prosperity when the economy improves.
Right now, the entire country faces a major problem, because the destructive effects of our high unemployment get worse with each passing week. The longer people remain unemployed, the more they burn up their assets and family support. Unemployment compensation just stretches this decline out a bit.
But if they have low cost shelter and food, school for their children, some police for security, and free clinic quality health care, they can “tread water” for years longer. At the same time, by putting a job center there, as soon as work is available, they can build up a month’s rent and deposit, and get their family out of the low cost shelter motel far more quickly than otherwise.
In the short and long term it costs less, speeds up economic recovery, helps keep families together, and generally keeps the fabric of society knit. That’s the furthest thing than what happens in the dog-eat-dog third world.
I agree with the information, suggestions and ideas contained in post #71. The future may well mean that the old ideas of corporate jobs is dying. Make your own job is great advice. I owned my own business for over 20 years until the ‘Triple Whammy’ destroyed it... I started my computer business back in the early 1980’s - kept it going past the year 2000... But insurmountable barriers do appear.
Recently, me best buddy - just over age 50’s - unemployed for a long time - Mr. Dad he became - started his own business. My buddy negotiated with a fellow who wanted to unload his dry cleaning business. The price started at 400K but was negotiated down to 30K down and the owner is ‘toting the note’ on a total of less than 300K with my buddy making monthly payments.
My buddy learned from my experience - and said so. He wasn’t going to continue to beat his head against the wall.
With the environmental anarchists calling the shots, the US has been moving manufacturing jobs offshore for years. Now the chickens come home to rest. With open borders, all the jobs that Americans wouldnt do are now filled by illegal immigrants.Environmentalism is not the cause. Globalization is. Capital always tries to maximize its return on investment. As soon as technology improved enough and China opened up American manufacturing was doomed.
We still have not learned our lessons, since the environmentalists still object to drilling for oil or natural gas. When will we learn America. Look at the country which we used to be.
Environmentalists are a pest, but only a pest. The causes of America's decline are far deeper and transcend both parties.
Anyone that thinks that things are goung to get better is living in a fools paradise. For the economy to gey better three things have to happen: 1)Abolish the EPA.2) Get obama and the Democrats out of office. 3) Cut taxes. I do not believe any of the three will happen.Regulation is not the US's problem, like I said earlier, globalization is. The US still has much less regulation than Europe and despite the Greek mess Europe has managed to weather the current downturn much more effectively. This comes partially from using crippling taxes on workers to finance the unemployed as well as making it nearly impossible to fire people. Capital can't flee nearly as easily either because of the huge tariffs on stuff coming in from outside the Euro zone.
When you globalize like the US has, jobs go away and they never come back because it will *always* be cheaper do produce things in a third world sweatshop. The remaining jobs will be done by illegals because they're cheaper too.
Again, like I said the problems transcend parties. The problems are fundamental to the globalist way of doing things. Until this changes the current trend of outsourcing and bringing in illegals will continue until the US market isn't worth it anymore and the process will repeat in whatever the next big market is, which will probably be China.
Can't lose a job I don't have. Brother can you spare a dime?
Obama's policies have sucked up all the investment cash from the economy and obligated future payments to foreign bond holders. Those future obligations payments will bankrupt the nation with no course correction.
Obama's 2011 budget request includes $1.4 billion granted to the developing nations fighting climate change and limiting carbon emissions when man caused global warming is a total fraud. This one item represent 0.1% of the budget deficit. This one item is a window into the crazy Democrat spending. Government spending needs to be brought under control by deleting the wasteful and unnecessary line items.
Obama created the Bipartisan National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform to provide cover for a tax increase. The Obama tax increase will be the coup dgrace for jobs in the United States.
Increased Taxes and Increased Borrowing does not bode well for Future Jobs. Any Unemployment Complaint is with the Democratic Congress and President Obama.
You do not understand the current climate. I’m sorry, but cheap Chinese labor isn’t any more effective today than free slave labor was for the South before the Civil War.
Automation, such as the invention of the cotton gin, mass production of firearms, steam engine, telegraph, to the Internet, CNC machining, and robots on assembly lines beats cheap labor everytime.
Automation always wins. Automation always beats cheap labor.
Always. No exceptions, even.
China has advantages that stem from their under-valuing of their Yuan currency, no environmental or regulatory compliance costs, no tort risks (lawsuit lotteries), and cheap energy from nuclear, hydro, and coal power...but Chinese labor is actually more expensive than Nigerian, Cuban, North Korean, Vietnamese, and labor in India.
American companies outsource to China because we are never going to hire-up again. The old days of salaried jobs are gone, save for government positions and the existing private jobs that somehow hang on.
Sending work to China is like having a black box that delivers widgets as you stuff money into it...in that you never have to hire more American employees to get more widgets delivered.
This means no workers’ comp issues, no lawsuits, no insurance, no healthcare, no environmental compliance, no regulations...you just get your widgets delivered after paying your black box.
What the above means is that companies have a route to obtain greater production without adding new U.S. employees.
And what *that* means is that the days of salaried jobs are gone.
You’d better figure out how to make your own job instead, then. Tow truck driver. Taxi driver. Panning for gold. Logging your land. Dentist with your own office. Fisherman. Tour guide. Writing iPhone aps and selling them in Apple’s iStore. Bounty hunter. Repo cars. Repo aircraft/boats. Build boats. Build kit cars. Paint cars. Vinyl sticker cars. Write a book or pop song. Design a new swim suit. Run cattle. Put windmills on your land. Sell sod. Raise worms. Grow crops. Make ethanol. Make bio-diesel.
Make your own job...because only 1 in a thousand looking for a salaried job will get hired in the future.
This is all Obama’s fault. He literally is turning America into a ghetto before our very eyes.
Screw you Goodman and that commie rag NYT. I am sick of you and your lies.
Naturally the NY Slimes angle is that the problem is not JOBS, but rather welfare in the form of socialized medicine.
What signs might those be?
The rebound of the economy always starts with the Nation's prime employer, small business, hiring new employees, not laying off more.
Over the last 10 years want ads have gone the way of the dinosaur. Look at sites like Dice, CareerBuilder, and Monster if you want to see where the help wanted ads have gone.
Every one of the 9 laid off at my dept a couple of weeks ago was over 40, two over 50, two over 60.
The historical (and easier) solution is to start wars. This benefits the warmonger in at least two ways. First, employment in crafting war machinery and building whatever gets destroyed, and also attrition in population.
The trick is to convince your populace that the war is just. That is easy too. See Iran, N. Korea, and if we push hard enough I think we could get the old USSR and China to appear as (or become) enemies.
I guess I missed this!
Unless you start your own company, and run the company that laid you off out of business!
Been there; done that.
Still got a ways to go before people have excess cash to cover their basic needs, and then some.
You do not understand the current climate. Im sorry, but cheap Chinese labor isnt any more effective today than free slave labor was for the South before the Civil War.I think you misunderstood me. I agree 100% with your analysis. The key to China is that China is a 3rd world country(now 2nd really) without all the comparative inefficiencies that plague other 3rd world economies. Not to say that China isn't corrupt, it certainly is, but it's nowhere near as corrupt and disorganized as a typical 3rd world nation.
Until the US either switches to protectionism or figures out how to leverage its advantages the current decline will continue.
Sure hope it never happens to you.
My hubby who is 55 lost his job 10 months ago. 28 years at the same company, walk in on a Friday and you’re out. The 8 guys who were there the longest, pffft - gone in an instant. No severance, no thank you for 28 years.
Hubby is looking for anything, absolutely anything. Pounding the pavement every day for 10 months. He’s knocking on doors, not just submitting and online resume. Nobody is hiring a 55 year old guy. He applied as a fricking census taker and we’re waiting to hear back on that.
I took on a second job to make sure we could keep going. College tuition, mortgage ...you know the drill.
The market really sucks out there. Be grateful for what you have. And please don’t look down on others who are having a tough time.
“She and her husband now settle their bills with only his $1,595 monthly disability check”
“she scans job listings on her computer”
“There are positions in health care, most requiring the experience she lacks. Office jobs demand familiarity with software she has never used.”
“When Ms. Eisen and her husband, Jeff, applied for food stamps, they were turned away for having too much monthly income. The cutoff was $1,570 a month $25 less than her husbands disability check.”
“She married Jeff when she was 19, and they soon moved to California, where he had grown up. He worked in sales for a chemical company and they rented an apartment in Buena Park, a growing spread of houses filling out former orange groves. She stayed home and took care of their daughter.”
“ By the early 1980s, their finances became strained, so she took a job as a quality assurance clerk at a factory that made aircraft parts. It paid $13.50 an hour and had health insurance.”
“six years ago, her husband took a fall at work and then succumbed to various ailments diabetes, liver disease, high blood pressure leaving him confined to the couch. Not until 2008 did he secure his disability check.”
“Their daughter has back problems and is also living on disability checks”
Jean A Eisen - Age 57
8640 Auto Center Dr, Apt 67
Buena Park, CA 90621-3725
Household: Kerrian A Eisen, Jeff Eisen
Jeffrey M Eisen
Keri Ann Eisen
Jean A Eisen
Jean Ann Eisen
6 in Buena Park, CA
2 in Brea, CA
1 in Fullerton, CA
1 in Los Angeles, CA
see post #71 and #85.
This woman’s husband and daughter are both on disability.