Kyle Smith: "Green Zone" Is The Most Vile Anti-American Propaganda Ever Released By A Major Studio

Ace of Spades ^ | March 9, 2010 | Ace

[roses of sharon]

Imo Saddam made the decision he would thwart the UN/US surrender agreement in which he was required to report on paper and with inspectors that he had disassembled his WMD programs. He wanted to pretend he was complying while still scaring his enemies.

You see, there were never any “vats” of WMD...the UN/Intell reports that Powell read were items that Saddam had not proved he had gotten rid of. He never let his scientists be interviewed outside Iraq either, which was demanded.

Saddam could shut down a WMD program one day, and begin it the next. So, he could not be trusted....who could chance a madman with WMD capabilities? He had used it before, he had been financing Islamic terrorists, he could send his goons to Afghanistan while we were there fighting a war after 9/11. Once GWB decided to go to war, he did not want to be looking over his shoulder for Saddam's WMD.

[ohioman]

I know some folks in the intell community and it WAS thought that Iraq had WMDs all the way up until and during the invasion. It never had anything to do with a Fake, but more to do with faulty intell.

[Jim W N]

but more to do with faulty intell.

Definitely. But as time grew near for Bush to invade (and he wasn't going to wait), some were coming back with stuff like, "Whoa - we haven't been able to verify these weapons." I don't know where you were at the time, but just before Bush gave the command to launch the invasion, there was huge doubt as to the veracity of WMD's in Iraq, and it didn't seem to matter to Bush. He was going in regardless. I don't know if we'll ever know, but I wouldn't be surprised if some intell at around that time was overtly or covertly being ignored and/or squelched.

I think the point of all this is: look the Libs are stupid, but they’re not dumb. They’ll choose the most vulnerable place to attack the Right and conservatives. Our strength isn’t arguing the point they want us to ague - the convoluted reasons Bush got us into Iraq. Our counter should be about the utter treachery and treason of the Lib’s and their MSM mouthpiece once our troops were in Iraq and America was committed to a military engagement.

[discostu]

I’m surprised to find out there’s a plot. I thought it was basically a Bourne movie they wouldn’t have to pay Ludlum’s estate for because they didn’t call it a Bourne movie.

[discostu]

You do realize you just proved yourself wrong. You admitted that at some point prior to the invasion Iraq had WMD.

Of course the real punchline is Saddam was a lot more involved in terrorism than WMDs, and WMDs were at best a sideline. Iraq was a valid WOT target. IDF figured Saddam was funding international terrorism (mostly against Israel, but Saddam was regularly exhorting the groups he funded to expand their attacks to include America) to the tune of over $100 million a year. Did you notice how the intifada just kind of evaporated after Saddam fell, it’s harder to find suicide bombers when their families are no longer getting paid off. Saddam’s own speeches made him a valid WOT target, with or without WMD.

[TribalPrincess2U]

All proceeds go to AQ.

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[ohioman]

“just before Bush gave the command to launch the invasion, there here was huge doubt as to the veracity of WMD’s in Iraq”

That is the point you are missing from me. Many in the intell field still thought that Iraq had WMDs just before he invasion. You are taking the opinion of a few and acting as if they represented the opinion of the majority of the intell community, which they did not. However, you are right that the Dems acted seditious/traitorous after the war started.

[Jim W N]

I don't know about "majority" but signifcantly increasing doubt in the intell community and elsewhere. At that point, as I say, it didn't matter. Bush had his own reasons for going into Iraq.

Let's rather, as I say, turn the tables on these idoits and focus on the treachery and treason of the Libs and their MSM mouthpiece. And then let's focus on the bravery and loyalty of our troops, the best fighting units in the world AND the effectiveness we've had in setting the Islomofascists on theire heels, convoluted Iraq reasons notwithstanding.

God bless our troops and God bless America.

And, oh by the way, since we're not on the subject but kind of are, Obama’s birth credentials legitimately call into question his constitutional right to be President. When will he be proven to be foreign born or not in a court of law? I believe

Obama is an imposter

who should either cooperate with the investigation of his actual birth and/or be removed.

[ohioman]

I can agree with that!

[firebrand]

They were either shipped out of the country or buried. Doug Feith thinks buried.

[Hoboken]

Jim, educate yourself.

Democrats on WMD's

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."; Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001

We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." Senator Kennedy, 9-27-2002

"We know that he has stord secret supplies of biological and chemcial weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, 9-23-2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his contin ued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

[chargers fan]

Half of the audience for "The Great Raid" was over 50. It seems that generations X and Y have no problem with blood, but have been deprived of a sense of honor and respect.

I'll be sure to tell that to the other X and Y's in my unit. Here's the problem I had with the Great Raid, I just didn't find it that interesting of a story in the sense of plot movement and such. I thought movies like "We Were Soldiers" did a great job of balancing action and drama scenes. "The Great Raid," however, spent most of the movie on drama showing the conditions the prisoners were in. That's all well and good but call it a prison type movie if that's what the makers wanted to do. There was only about 20 minutes of a payoff at the end. Also, I didn't think the acting was that great.

[Jim W N]

"Educating yourself on what the Libs say is a bit of an oxymoron wouldn't you say? I don't really care what the stupid Libs say. They'll say anything. The point is intell was coming back with mixed messages to Bush right up to his order to invade. It didn’t matter. Whereas before, the WMD thing was a real issue, by the time Bush wanted to invade Iraq, there were serious issues that WMD’s weren't being validated anymore in Iraq. Didn’t matter. At that point Bush had his own reasons for wanting to invade Iraq. Soon after the invasion, “WMD” had disappeared from the lexicon and Bush used other things like “turning nations into democracies” and stuff like that to justify the Iraq thing.

If you want to go on the WMD merry-go-round, go ahead but it doesn’t go anywhere and it just where the libs want you to go.

The point is the Libs are stupid, but they’re not dumb. They’ll choose the most vulnerable place to attack the Right and conservatives. Our strength isn’t arguing the point they want us to ague - the convoluted reasons Bush got us into Iraq. Our counter should be about the utter treachery and treason of the Lib’s and their MSM mouthpiece once our troops were in Iraq and America was committed to a military engagement.

Let's rather, as I say, turn the tables on these idiots and focus on the treachery and treason of the Libs and their MSM mouthpiece. And then let's focus on the bravery and loyalty of our troops, the best fighting units in the world AND the effectiveness we've had in setting the Islomofascists on their heels, convoluted Iraq reasons notwithstanding.

[rmlew]

I'll be sure to tell that to the other X and Y's in my unit.
I was born in 77, so I'm in genx too. My point was not about those serving, but the rest of the population. I guess I'm the only person who liked the movie. I thought the nurse and Filipino resistance were quite nice elements. But I'm one of those people who preferred "Tora Tora Tora" to "Pearl Harbor"

[chargers fan]

Sorry, I was trying for a bit of sarcasm there. I’ll admit, I do like “Tora, Tora, Tora” more then “Pearl Harbor.” TTT actually used the long amount of time they had to tell a story, PH just had a love story that had nothing to do with the attack and had me looking at my watch and only enjoying the second hour of the movie. I felt that “Great Raid” went down that road as well with the whole head American in the prison and nurse storyline. I’m the type of guy who will take “Tour of Duty” over “China Beach” any day.