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Chefs Call Proposed New York Salt Ban 'Absurd'
MYFOXNY ^ | 3/11/10 | ARUN KRISTIAN DAS

Posted on 03/11/2010 10:32:30 AM PST by BigEdLB

Some New York City chefs and restaurant owners are taking aim at a bill introduced in the New York Legislature that, if passed, would ban the use of salt in restaurant cooking.

"No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such restaurant or off of such premises," the bill, A. 10129 , states in part.

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TOPICS: Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: nannystate; totalitarianism
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To: StolarStorm
We over use MSG. That’s what is really messing people up in processed and restaurant food

Actually, over the past decade the food (foodservice included) industry has aggressively moved away from adding MSG to food. MSG use has dramatically decreased. Even so, you get ten times more glutamate from naturally occurring source than you do from added sources.

61 posted on 03/11/2010 11:54:37 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: oneamericanvoice
Once people decrease their intake they begin to really taste food.

Quite the opposite, my friend. Salt helps food to taste better. You can look it up yourself if you want, but in a nutshell, salt acts like a "master key" for unlocking nerve receptors found on our taste buds. It truly is the "eversomuchmoreso" for food! (nod to Homer Price)

62 posted on 03/11/2010 11:56:57 AM PST by Ignatz (Helping others to be more like me since 1960!)
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To: Mase

I asked a Chinese guy if I could get MSG on my meal.

He laughed, no use no more.


63 posted on 03/11/2010 11:57:04 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: jacquej

Good point. Salt is vital not only to health, but to preparation of basic foods (esp. bread).

Same grossly ignorant mindset as that deems CO2 a pollutant (it’s PLANT FOOD!). These people don’t understand the basics of sustenance.


64 posted on 03/11/2010 12:06:22 PM PST by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: Mase
They don't call it MSG anymore but its still the same thing, naturally occurring or not, and it is still added to most processed foods. I check every label... Hydrolyzed Yeast, vegetable protein and tons of other aliases.

But yes, tomatoes (and some other natural foods) contain very high concentrations naturally. I avoid tomatoes as they make me just as sick as processed food with the artificial kind. Migraines from hell...
65 posted on 03/11/2010 12:11:08 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: BigEdLB

I think I’ll immigrate to USSR where I would have more freedom to make my own choices.


66 posted on 03/11/2010 12:13:46 PM PST by lonestar (Better Obama picks his nose than our pockets!)
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To: reaganrevolutionin2010

I can’t even imagine Mexican foods and sauces w/o salt. Yuck


67 posted on 03/11/2010 12:23:46 PM PST by JHENN22499
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To: StolarStorm
Glutamate is glutamate. When vegetable proteins are cooked to create HVP, glutamate is a byproduct of the reaction. The amount of glutamate found in most HVP is small.

Glutamate is much more common in the foods you eat every day than you think. It doesn't matter if it's from added sources or from natural sources. Glutamate is glutamate. The average human has about 10 lbs. of glutamate in their body at any given time. About half of that is located in the brain. Your nervous system couldn't function without it. Every study I've ever read on the subject, an I've read many, shows that the average American, consuming an average diet, will get ten times more glutamate from naturally occurring sources than from added sources.

The company I work for earns a lot of profit every year from selling MSG replacers to an industry desperate to get MSG off their ingredient deck. The average consumer knows nothing about MSG other than what the chemicalphobes tell them. This unfounded fear has caused the food industry to drop the use of MSG wherever they can in favor of many of the new replacers now available.

68 posted on 03/11/2010 12:31:33 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: JHENN22499
The fact that this is “a bill proposal” should send everyone over the cliff. SALT??? WTF is up with these freakin politicians? They all need to be thrown in jail, and that is for starters.

The politicians have TOO MUCH POWER!!!

SALT??? Give me a freakin break.

In the next “stimulus/screw us” bill there is a tax on sugar in soft drinks.

A freakin tax on sugar. STOP these Marxists NOW!!! I want the politicians out of my personal life. NOW! Who the hell gave these O'holes the right to tell us what to eat??? They can shove a pound of salt up their arrogant ass. Now, back to your regularly scheduled rant, that is already in progress.

69 posted on 03/11/2010 12:32:28 PM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: gathersnomoss

This will never pass!!! No one could be so stupid to enact
a salt Prohibition.


70 posted on 03/11/2010 12:36:22 PM PST by JHENN22499
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To: gathersnomoss

Your rant vindicates this measure.

You need to reduce your salt intake. Your temper and salt may lead to a fatal interaction. Hence the next step.

attend Anger Management therapy sessions.

Why should the modern citizen-subject get angry when the
government is implementing measures to make you healthy.

That is a sign of mental unhealthiness.


71 posted on 03/11/2010 12:37:06 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: BigEdLB

The IDIOT who proposed this knows it will not pass...THIS TIME. However, like herpes he will return. This bastard elected official should be removed by impeachment and never allowed to lead again. His nanny state mind-set is contrary to the American way of governance, life and more. His smug liberal attitude of how he knows whats best for us is disgusting and repulsive.


72 posted on 03/11/2010 12:57:23 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Mase
Gee that's neat, but too bad I still get a severe reaction whenever I eat anything with MSG or their "replacers". I am hardly the only one. There are countless people that have the same problem.

Perhaps, just perhaps, the science isn't exactly accounting for certain biochemistries. It may not be the glutamate itself, but a by product of the additives versus the natural version.

I know I know, the studies show otherwise. But there are countless cases of studies being proven false later by new studies or studies that go into an issue in more depth. Just like MS was considered a "fake" disease of the mind years ago, only to know be found to be very real.
73 posted on 03/11/2010 1:08:53 PM PST by StolarStorm
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You know pumpkin pie requires a dab of salt. One Thanksgiving I was in a hurry and just plain forgot the dab of salt. You know without that salt that pie looked nice but without a doubt was the most bland pie(despite the fact it was heavily seasoned with pumpkin pie spice and cloves that I have ever cooked.) Now I say this makes this bill anti-pumpkin pie and therefore anti-American. Seriously this fear of salt has caused countless people to become overweight due to iodine deficiency, maybe next he can outlaw salt licks for livestock.


74 posted on 03/11/2010 1:14:15 PM PST by sanjoaquinvalley (Long Time Lady Lurker)
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To: reaganrevolutionin2010

Is there any Mexican food that doesn’t have salt? Dear Mr. Ortiz - Good luck trying this ban in Mexico.


75 posted on 03/11/2010 1:19:36 PM PST by sanjoaquinvalley (Long Time Lady Lurker)
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To: BigEdLB

Not to mention it is a staple food item that the human body cannot function without. This bill is kind of like trying to ban restaurants from serving water.


76 posted on 03/11/2010 1:36:34 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: StolarStorm
If you get "severe" reactions whenever you eat anything with glutamate in it (or an MSG replacer) then you must have a very limited diet. How you ever eat at a restaurant is a mystery too. There are people with all sorts of afflictions. Many are real, many are imagined.

The biochemistry of glutamate is well understood. It's been studied to death. That doesn't stop the chemicalphobes from demonizing it anyway. I'm not sure what you mean by "product of the additives versus the natural version." Are you saying that there might be other ingredients in the food causing your (and others) reaction? Or, are you saying there are "additives" in glutamate added to food vs. those that occur naturally? If it's the latter, salt would be the only additive I'm aware of. I don't think salt is causing any adverse reactions -- outside of the bizarro world of Mayor Bloomberg. If it is the former, then some other ingredient is causing your reaction and not MSG. This is the more likely scenario.

There will always be studies trying to create alarm on issues that have long been put to bed. How else will these folks generate the grant money they need to justify their existence.?

77 posted on 03/11/2010 1:55:25 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: BigEdLB

Another thought... what about ingredients that contain salt, are they banned? Can we not get anchovy pizzas or salami sandwiches in New York then?

How about Kosher cooking, which pretty much requires salt for the preparation of red meat dishes. I guess they can kiss the last Jewish delis goodbye in NYC if this passes!


78 posted on 03/11/2010 2:36:19 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: In Maryland

“If the salt from my food ever blows in your face, I’ll give some thought to the analogy; and when my salt causes you an asthma attack, I might give a thought to banning it.”

Sure, close your eyes and pretend there is no connection here, that’s the logical thing to do!

People who don’t like smokers/trans fat/salt/whatever have every right to complain, protest, boycott establishments to pressure them to ban it, etc. The government, however, doesn’t have any right to tell private citizens whether they can allow it on their private property. If you like to believe they do, then go ahead and surrender your freedoms, but I’d like to keep mine, thank you very much.

Seeing morbidly obese people stuffing their faces or homosexuals making out in public causes me mental distress, but I’ll gladly deal with that disturbance rather than be subject to a Nanny State Gestapo.


79 posted on 03/11/2010 2:45:24 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Mase
I don't eat in restaurants (except a very very few) nor can I eat processed foods. I have read many studies myself on this topic. Yes, I am very aware of the levels of glutamate in the body... but I also know that I and many others DO get a severe reaction to products that have MSG added to them. I have also tested this on myself using a control to make sure it wasn't something else... I've used rice and then added MSG flavor enhances in normal doses.... same reaction. I've also had others help me conduct a blind test to rule out psychology. I'm not the only one who has done these tests either. Many have.

Its extremely irritating and frustrating to have something occur that the "professionals" just disregard.

I have no idea if its the glutamate itself, some metabolic byproduct that occurs when it is broken down in the body, or just some freak biochemical difference that some people have that others don't.

But I do know its real and it has been documented at the ER a few times. So, if you have 100% faith in your (and anyone else's) understanding of the body's biochemistry... sure disregard it. But frankly, sometimes what doesn't seem to fit with one's understanding of something... should at least be considered as a possibility. There are a lot of people with previously "incurable" or "formally psychological" diseases that are damn glad someone thought outside the box.
80 posted on 03/11/2010 3:21:03 PM PST by StolarStorm
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