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To: OneWingedShark

Ill go there. Because royalty is despotic by it’s very essence. And after Thomas Paine wrote “common sense”, and utterly filleted the concept of royaly about 6 ways, it’s inexcusable to defend it. You really need to read it,, it’s a tour de force on the topic of royalty.

It’s a red herring to say hitler was elected.
Maybe he was, but so what? The mere fact that an evil man was elected, in no way can logically give support to royalty as a concept, hereditery positions, and devine right. It does not logically follow that if a bad man can be sometimes get elected, that royalty is good. It’s a non sequitur.


23 posted on 03/11/2010 1:50:54 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

>I’ll go there. Because royalty is despotic by it’s very essence.

Then please explain why Jesus in not only a king, but the King of Kings, and not merely “Despotism Made Flesh”.

>And after Thomas Paine wrote “common sense”, and utterly filleted the concept of royaly about 6 ways, it’s inexcusable to defend it.

Ah, well here I am Defending it. Royalty is not, by nature, inherently evil.

>You really need to read it,, it’s a tour de force on the topic of royalty.

And here I thought it was “a tour de force on the topic of royalty AS IMPLEMENTED BY CORRUPT MAN.”

>It’s a red herring to say hitler was elected.

Not really. A -> B is NOT the same as ~A -> ~B. IOW we have to define our playing-field for the debate; by stating that diplomatic processes can give rise to evil rulers, and non-diplomatic ones can give rise to good rulers I am steering the debate towards Character and human-nature.

>Maybe he was, but so what? The mere fact that an evil man was elected, in no way can logically give support to royalty as a concept, hereditery positions, and devine right.

See above.
“Hereditary-Position -> Evil-Person” is not the same as “Not-Evil-Person -> Not-Hereditary-Position”.

>It does not logically follow that if a bad man can be sometimes get elected, that royalty is good.

True, but the other-way works too: if bad men are sometimes born to power it does not mean that elections are good.


56 posted on 03/11/2010 2:35:13 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: DesertRhino
Because royalty is despotic by it’s very essence

Yeah, but it adds a touch of class. Something emerging nations try to fake by slapping a shiny picture of the Leader de jour on a dilapidated streetscape.


74 posted on 03/11/2010 4:25:25 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (great thing about being a cynic: you can enjoy being proved wrong.)
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To: DesertRhino
Greetings DesertRhino:

Knew about Thomas Paine's Common Sense in grade school. But until your post, I never actually read it before. Needless to say, the text of King George's reply indicates war.

Thanks for a great post.

Cheers,
OLA

90 posted on 03/11/2010 9:45:42 PM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others cite your source.)
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