Posted on 03/15/2010 4:54:44 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
Shortly before midnight on Sunday, Democrats released a 2,309 page health care bill that will start the process of reconciliation -- but don't let that fool you, it's not the actual reconciliation bill with all the changes you've been reading about. Instead, as Rep. Paul Ryan, the ranking Republican member on the Budget Committee, explained to me last week, this is just the "shell" bill -- the vehicle that Democrats need to get moving on health care. Once the bill gets approved (likely Monday), Democrats will send this phantom bill over to the Rules Committee, where it will be stripped, and then they'll insert in all of the actual changes that they've negotiated.
(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...
The public option seems to be back. From page 1167 of the bill.
Subtitle B—Public Health Insurance Option
SEC. 221. ESTABLISHMENT AND ADMINISTRATION OF A PUBLIC HEALTH INSURANCE OPTION AS AN EXCHANGE-QUALIFIED HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT.—For years beginning with Y1, the Secretary of Health and Human Services (in this subtitle referred to as the ‘‘Secretary’’) shall provide for the offering of an Exchange-participating health benefits plan (in this subdivision referred to as the ‘‘public health insurance option’’) that ensures choice, competition, and stability of affordable, high quality coverage throughout the United States in accordance with this subtitle. In designing the option, the Secretary’s primary responsibility is to create a low-cost plan without compromising quality or access to care.
Will the liberal MSM cover this biggest coup d’etat ever?
No.
Because they are financially involved, and personally
involved, the lib MSM will instead cover ... the weather.
It’s been a shell game from the beginning!!!
The content of any final bill is irrelevant. Any federal version of health care on its face is unconstitutional since Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution does not specifically grant Congress the power to regulate health care. The people are not bound to comply with any unconstitutional act of Congress. This is the point people need to be driving home with their Congress critters!
This is how Hugo Chavez went from elected president to dictator of Venezuela.
The citizens of Venezuela didn’t rise up and slap him down at his first constitutional overreach.
Sorry, but there have been a lot of laws passed that aren’t stipulated in the Constitution. Like all the determinations that have ensued from the virtual “right of privacy” (abortion, etc.) which ain’t in the Constitution, just in the minds of liberal judges and justices.
Why do you keep posting this? No matter how right you are on its face, the Supreme Court has ruled time and again since the 1930s against your statement. It’s irrelevant in today’s society, no matter how much you and I wish it to be true.
Who wants to bet that eventually this “law” will be the biggest body of law the world’s ever seen, and that will include a provision forbidding criticism of it.
I think the nation’s lawyers have just roped the moon if this passes. And it’s a lush fertile moon.
The supreme court also ruled on Kelo, didn’t they? After reading Men in Black, my low respect for them is even lower.
The debate truly is as simple as mentioning “enumerated powers”. It should be added to every thread about unconstitutional legislation.
God bless you, Man5!
What you are reading is going to be erased, and replaced with new language. Did you read the article you posted? Even the snippet describes that the what is now available for reading is NOT what is going to be proposed for passage.
The reason the public option is in this ‘bill’ is explained in the article.
Tell that to the nurse in the waiting room at your doctor's office.
Here are some results FReepers found reg. the document dump:
Summary Version [which is all I’ll post here].
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2437390/posts?page=1072#1072
Long Version:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2437390/posts?page=1075#1075
Toll free numbers to contact congress:
1-800-828-0498, 1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 1-877-851-6437, 1-877-210-5351
Notwithstanding’s detailed posts of the Obama-care Document Dump:
Both posts are focused on this:
Page 7 TITLE IV—AMENDMENTS TO INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2471082/posts?page=305#305
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2471156/posts?page=2#2
For future posts by Nothwithstanding:
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:notwithstanding/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change
SUMMARY:
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From forbes:
“The combined unfunded liabilities of Medicare and Social Security—the federal health care and the pension programs for the elderly—are $107 trillion, seven times the current GDP. Meanwhile, Medicaid, the joint federal-state health insurance program, is consuming on average 21% of state budgets, their single biggest ticket item even before ObamaCare dumps another 16 million people into the program, expanding the Medicaid population by 25%. Beyond that, state and local government have promised their employees a trillion dollars more in pension and other benefits than they have funds to deliver. “
— Blonde
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2471082/posts?page=309#309
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On a positive note, I only found 25 instances of the word ‘Diversity’.
— ComputerGuy
Nothwithstanding did some particularly detailed reposting:
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:notwithstanding/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change
“Wordsearch: “family planning” = 18 times.” — TexasNative2000
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2471082/posts?page=24#24
TexasNative2000: “Wordsearch: “tax” and/or “taxes” = 183 times.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2471082/posts?page=20#20
Page 2084:
(3) BEHAVIORAL CHANGE COMPONENT.—A behavioral change component which provides for alter
ing employee lifestyles to encourage healthy living
through counseling, seminars, on-line programs, or
self-help materials which provide technical assistance
2084
•J. 55–345
1 and problem solving skills. such component may in
clude programs relating to—
3 (A) tobacco use;
4 (B) obesity;
5 (C) stress management;
6 (D) physical fitness;
7 (E) nutrition;
8 (F) substance abuse;
9 (G) depression; and
10 (H) mental health promotion (including
11 anxiety).
— RandallFlagg
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2471082/posts?page=10#10
preview of the student loan component
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/14/big-government-burrito-a-taste-of-the-2309-pg-demcarestudent-loan-reconciliation-bill/
This is actually the “shell” bill that Paul Ryan warned about:
http://spectator.org/blog/2010/03/11/ryan-dems-ramming-shell-hc-bil
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“SCHOOL BASED HEALTH CLINICS”
From page 1011: (SBHC= School based health clinic)
COMPREHENSIVE PRIMARY HEALTH SERVICES.
The term ‘comprehensive primary health services’ means the core services offered by SBHCs, which shall include the following:
PHYSICAL.—Comprehensive health assessments, diagnosis, and treatment of minor, acute, and chronic medical conditions and referrals to, and follow-up for, specialty care.
MENTAL HEALTH.—Mental health assessments, crisis intervention, counseling, treatment, and referral to a continuum of services including emergency psychiatric care, community support programs, inpatient care, and outpatient programs.
OPTIONAL SERVICES.—Additional services, which may include oral health, social, and age-appropriate health education services, including nutritional counseling.
Looks like Planned Parenthood and Kevin Jennings type “age-appropriate health education services” are coming to a school near all of us if this passes. Oh yeah...and it looks like they will be screening kids for “mental illness” too.
Brugmansian
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2471082/posts?page=124#124
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Buried in the techno-babble here: “public health insurance option”
— combat_boots
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2471082/posts?page=179#179
SEC. 343. ADVISORY COUNCIL ON GREEN, HIGH-PERFORMING PUBLIC SCHOOL FACILITIES.
[A quote of Michelle Malkin.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2471082/posts?page=182#182
Health workforce includes veterinarians
— combat_boots
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2471082/posts?page=197#197
End of Life Language — combat_boots
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2471082/posts?page=191#191
student loan [bs] starts @ page 2098
“Democrats release 2300-page reconciliation bill *Updated*”
http://www.redstate.com/bs/2010/03/14/breaking-democrats-release-2300-page-reconciliation-bill-with-a-public-option/
“And it appears they’ve decided to go all-in on this one. Included in the bill appears to be the “public option” that was removed from the Senate bill. From page 1167 of the bill ...
page 2110, on College Loans:
PART E—COLLEGE ACCESS AND COMPLETION
[The next looks particularly sloppy — I posted a question to combat_boots if it’s a typo by a staffer? Might be to hide the key word.]
‘‘(c) HEALTH PROFESSIONS TRAINING FOR DIVER7
SITY
— combat_boots
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2471082/posts?page=198#198
combat_boots: “Oh, and what is the Health Service Trust mentioned pp 1986ff?”
I don’t think congressional staffers will have time to read/hear constituents mention every detail that’s wrong with this unconstitutional bill.
If it were to be fully implemented, people will be talking their ears off about skin rashes. That is not the purpose of congress.
That's as simple-minded of a solution as saying "throw the bums out" or "start a third party" is the fix in Washington. Present day politics is a lot more complex than that and if you don't play by the rules at the time, you will get burned by those who do. I'm sorry it's this way, but singing "LA LA LA" and sticking your head in the sand won't change it.
“What you are reading is going to be erased”
How do you know? I read the article but it will only be erased when the committee votes to erase it.
Remember that the dims in the house want the public option in the bill. The senate removed it in December because they needed 60 votes. If they use the nuclear option they won’t need 60 votes anymore.
It’s crunch time - keep hammering away at the Blue Dogs and let them know that the November elections will be ugly for them if they support this disastrous bill. Also that they are being duped by the leadership.
The debate truly is as simple as mentioning “enumerated powers”
“That’s as simple-minded” as talking like a founder of the Constitution.
And I hadn’t supported a ticket splitter since Al Gore invented the internet.
“Present day politics is a lot more complex” — corrupt.
“I’m sorry it’s this way, but singing “LA LA LA” and sticking your head in the sand won’t change it.”
It’s DC that’s sticking it’s collective head in the sand. They tried to get rid of gun rights, and “simple-minded” people simply quoted the constitution. It took time, but at the mounting resistance.
And so you call up DC — how much attention will the staffer give you to complain about this clause or that clause? You’ll just be a chicken scratch on a note pad.
You write a long-winded email — same thing. A simple chicken scratch.
Some lady calls up about wearing her dead sister’s teeth and has the same impact.
Might as well keep it basic and simple. Same difference.
I’m not sure I follow the process...
1. House passes 2309 page bill with public option
2. House Rules strips content and inserts Senate Bill
3. Senate passes stripped House version via reconciliation
4. President signs law.
Is that it? So this is the Slaughter trick, isn’t it, where the House passes a bill they didn’t vote on?
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