State legislatures openly defying Obama

Conservative Examiner ^ | 3-15-10 | Robert Moon

[aquapub]

Lawmakers in 34 states, from both major parties, have now either proposed, passed or are in the process of enacting laws that draw a line in the sand on states rights, preemptively nullifying at least parts of ObamaCare.

[sniper63]

That’s only 60% of the 57 states, we need to get at least 75%.......

[Track9]

Does this make them also exempt from the onerous taxes attached to the bill.. I know it’s still early.. just a thought.

[SGCOS]

Ya know, that would work out nice if the states deny federal required health care. What would zero do then?

[Qwackertoo]

Good. States need to stand up and tell Obamalamadingdong HELL NO we won’t obey your unconstitutional “deemed” passed reams of paper.

[Froggie]

Nice to see some state legislatures with fortitude to stand up to the constitution and demand the 10th amendment mean something!!! Now, if just one legislature would pass a law requiring candidates for office with age/citizenship requirements prove they meet the mandated criteria before they can be placed on the ballot!!! Oklahoma? Texas? Alabama? certainly one state legislature has gonads?

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

Well, ask them to ask him for his BC ...

[GoCards]

Wasnt it just a couple of months ago or even weeks ago, Bloomberg and Scwhenegger (sp) said they couldnt afford it. Dont do it. Guess that matters not

[Niuhuru]

Completely flake out. Utterly blow up and have a meltdown.

[GonzoGOP]

Lawmakers in 34 states,

That is a key number. While the traditional constitutional amendment process starts in the House and the Senate, there is a second method.

The second method prescribed is for a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States, and for that Convention to propose one or more amendments. These amendments are then sent to the states to be approved by three-fourths of the legislatures or conventions. This route has never been taken, and there is discussion in political science circles about just how such a convention would be convened, and what kind of changes it would bring about.

Very dangerous but it does offer up a way around the progressive controlled congress. Pass a constitutional amendment to make health care prohibit any federal laws requiring health care insurance. A constitutional amendment by its very nature cannot be ruled unconstitutional. And note that it is 3/4 of the states, not 3/4 of the population. So California and New York do not get their normal ability to control every issue. They are only 2 votes out of 50.

The danger is that once called a convention can get off topic and end up removing things like freedom of speech, or the second amendment. Care would have to be taken to call it for only the purpose of enacting a prohibition on nationalized health care.

[grumpygresh]

After passage of the state statutes and state amendments governors through their AGs can protect their citizens through interposition. This would cause a constitutional challenge. However, I am dismayed that some constitutional experts (Roger Pilon) at the Cato institute actually believe that federal mandates would be ruled constitutional by SCOTUS. This was most certainly not the intent of Madison or any of the founders. If a federal mandate was enforceable, then the federal government could mandate anything.

” Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for,it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” James Madison

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/03/can_states_just_say_no_to_fede.html

[Pessimist]

All the federal gvt has to do is threaten to withold some of our tax dollars from the states (e.g. medicaid mathcing funds, etc) and they’ll all fold.

That kind of coercion is baked into the cake these days.

[grumpygresh]

This sounds like the veritable double edge sword unless someone can figure out a way that the convention could be confined to the narrow issue of mandates etc. as you have indicated this could be a bad idea.

[Mrs. Don-o]

ObamaCare= A Lie
Obama= A Liar

According to the CODE RED COUNT right now:

YES....	NO......	UNDECIDED
188	204	44

"NO" needs to go to 216.

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The very well-organized Susan B. Anthony List is running radio ads in Nine (9) Key Congressional Districts represented by Pro-Life Democrats. They are strongly urging those Congressmen to STAND FIRM and vote NO on DeathCare.

To listen to a sample ad, CLICK HERE.

THIS IS CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT.

CLICK AND SUPPORT THESE TARGETTED CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT RADIO ADS

Do it now and stop DeathCare.

Or don't do it, and regret it for the rest of your natural life.

[Mrs. Don-o]

ObamaCare= A Lie
Obama= A Liar

According to the CODE RED COUNT right now:

YES....	NO......	UNDECIDED
188	204	44

"NO" needs to go to 216.

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The very well-organized Susan B. Anthony List is running radio ads in Nine (9) Key Congressional Districts represented by Pro-Life Democrats. They are strongly urging those Congressmen to STAND FIRM and vote NO on DeathCare.

To listen to a sample ad, CLICK HERE.

THIS IS CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT.

CLICK AND SUPPORT THESE TARGETTED CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT RADIO ADS

Do it now and stop DeathCare.

Or don't do it, and regret it for the rest of your natural life.

[WOBBLY BOB]

ping

[GonzoGOP]

This sounds like the veritable double edge sword unless someone can figure out a way that the convention could be confined to the narrow issue of mandates etc.

Probably why it has never been done. It would be an act of desperation. But as acts of desperation go it would probably be better than open warfare. And it would certainly be much less dangerous than talk of secession or nullification, which show up on these threads daily. It would be easier to call a narrowly defined constitutional amendment convention than it would to pull off a peaceful secession.

[Huck]

Because they know nullification is not legal. It’s a great way to grandstand without any real consequences or results. If they were serious, they would propose a constitutional amendment. They have enough states to do it. But that would be substantive, rather than just showboating, so don’t hold your breath.

[Huck]

Here's what Madison had to say about nullification:

A political system which does not contain an effective provision for a peaceable decision of all controversies arising within itself, would be a Govt. in name only. Such a provision is obviously essential; and it is equally obvious that it cannot be either peaceable or effective by making every part an authoritative umpire. The final appeal in such cases must be to the authority of the whole, not to that of the parts separately and independently. This was the view taken of the subject, whilst the Constitution was under the consideration of the people. It was this view of it which dictated the clause declaring that the Constitution & laws of the U. S. should be the supreme law of the Land, anything in the constn or laws of any of the States to the contrary notwithstanding."

As for the powers of Congress, Madison of course was wrong, and those who contended that the Congress would have virtually unlimited power were correct. Few and limited powers? LOL. That's a good one.

[GailA]

Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts. Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.

KEEP THE CALLS UP! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE

Code Red” - House Target List on Health Care

The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.

Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699
Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295
Rep. Bart Gordon 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,
Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)

On the Bubble (Major developments from the “yes” and “no” columns in the House)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2467046/posts

Congressional Dems on Twitter
http://www.arrghpaine.com/congressional-dems-on-twitter

And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.
At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote “yes” for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.

When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senator’s office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senator’s answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!

We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!
1-800-828-0498 , 1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351