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To: allmendream

Human bodies are not ape bodies, don’t be ridiculous. There are similarities, but to say that an ape body and human body are exactly the same is sheer insanity. There are many similarities between human bodies and pigs, for instance, that’s why they can use pig parts in humans (which i think is a disgusting and cruel practice), or ferrets - that’s why ferrets are often used in experiments. All bodies have similiarities since they are made from the same elements with similiar or same systems, and of course some have more resemblances than others.

What I am saying is people who identify “I am an ape” will certainly be born as an ape after they leave the human body - death being leaving the earthly body and going elsehwere. The “where” being dependent on one’s consciousness, which is molded by how one lives life, thoughts, attachments, and so on.


382 posted on 03/26/2010 10:45:03 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah
So you are talking about some sort of rebirth.

And a rather strange concept of rebirth where your actions are not judged on if you ascend or descend in worth, but somehow your thoughts about what you ARE. Some sort of “sympathetic magic” involved in reincarnation. Wow, what wacky theology.

Human bodies ARE ape bodies, and I didn't say “exactly the same” that is your strawman, of course our bodies are not “exactly the same”; but neither is the body of a chimp and a gorilla “exactly the same”. Obviously your criteria is too narrow, because by it gorillas would not be apes unless their body was “exactly the same” as a chimp.

Pigs are not even close. Pigs have hoofs, and as such are a part of a rather recent mammalian clade separate from any mammal that has nails on the end of each digit.

Moreover I did not mention morphology alone, although by our physical morphology we are most certainly apes. I mentioned DNA.

We are 98% the same in genetic DNA as a chimpanzee and 94% the same over the entire genome. Neither humans or chimps share that same degree of DNA similarity with any other animal.

So by what physical or chemical (DNA) criteria do you seek to remove humans from the ape clade?

385 posted on 03/26/2010 10:53:24 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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