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To: Qwackertoo

You aska lot of good questions and I’ve got a moment.

Not that I have any wiser answers than most anyone else but I’m jes’ sayin’...

First, a lot of those folks voting for this bill live in a constituency that has citizens who WANT this bill. That Weiner fellow is an example. So we eliminate those guys as this is the way it should go.

You then move on to those guys with a constituency that does NOT want this thing and there’s a bunch of variable percentages on this. The Altmire fellow probably had a pocket full of liberal types here and there but more than likely he had a major percentage of moderate/conservatives in his district which forced him to finally give it up.

So we come down to maybe....yeah I’m pulling a number out of butt, but I’m thinking around 35-40 of those Dems whose votes could go either way and they’d still have an argument that they were representing their voters. Let me re-visit the Math...out of 216 votes they need to pass I’m guessing around 175 of them have districts that range from very liberal to maybe 60% liberal. This is out of over 500 some reps up there and consider how this country leans and I’d argue that to have 175 of these reps liberal enough to have them cast a confident YES vote on this thing makes sense.

Who you are really directing your puzzled questions at are those 40 some Dems who are in districts where more than likely the majority of their constituents do NOT want this...so why will you vote for it anyway?

Number one reason...Obamer is appealing to them, PLEADING I TELL YOU, to please save his presidency, that if this doesn’t pass he goes down the tubes. Now I’d argue back that Obamer had a choice, that right after the MASS Brown vote he could have scaled it back with no repercussions, America would have sighed and forgotten about it. Instead Obamer and his owners decided to double down and ignore the voters’ wishes and this was his choice.

Be that as it may, that plea probably hits home somwhere. I’ll be generous and suggest that some of these guys think that an ineffective president for the next three years would be worse for the country than passing this crap and corrupt law. I don’t agree, just being Devil’s Advocate here, of course.

There’s definitely corruption going on. Maybe some of the Republican threats to expose those getting deals/cushy jobs is starting to scare them but hey lookit, the pubs are notorious for wanting to make peace, reach across the aisle, forgetting all about it, burying the hatchett. Hell, I’d half believe that myself.

Finally, the argument being made to these types is that,...well yeah it’s going to be tough for a couple of weeks but Americans have infamously low attention spans. Give them a couple of weeks and they’ll forget all about it. You need to look beyond the tea party crowd. Yeah...they’ll make noise for a while but believe it, the uproar won’t last very long.

And hey, they believe that logic, darn, I kinda half believe it too.

Anyway....that’s my take on your question. I guess I’m trying to rationalize the indefensible in my mind that it makes some sense but I’ll admit I’m not sure I buy it myself.


226 posted on 03/20/2010 8:22:49 AM PDT by Fishtalk
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To: Fishtalk

I agree with most of your post. Although the election of Scott Brown changes a great many of those really blue, really liberal states with their reps. Or maybe Romney Care is the difference and the other blue & very liberal districts just don’t realize they really don’t want this YET. I’d think with the NJ election of their GOP Governor AND with Scott Brown in MA that would give cause for any liberal to slow down, take a look and say hmmm maybe this vote is too much. I really don’t put that much into the VA returning to GOP and hope more from VA wake up and smell the coffee.

All the new taxes, increased taxes and all the SHALL for the Dept. HHS Secretary scares the heck out of me, waiting or trying to get a doctor appt. and whether they will deem me or my kids as deserving of whatever treatment AND IF they can do it with health care, they will continue with amnesty and cap & tax and whatever else they dream up keeps me awake at night these days.


276 posted on 03/20/2010 8:36:46 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (I'm really thrilled that Scott Brown WON Big Time Last Night)
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To: Fishtalk
"Finally, the argument being made to these types is that,...well yeah it’s going to be tough for a couple of weeks but Americans have infamously low attention spans. Give them a couple of weeks and they’ll forget all about it. You need to look beyond the tea party crowd. Yeah...they’ll make noise for a while but believe it, the uproar won’t last very long."

If that is likely, then the motto for all of the time leading to the November elections must be THIS MUST NOT STAND. We have to take back this country before the final shovel of dirt if thrown in our faces. If Obama succeeds with Obamaserfcare, he will move right on to immigration reform and amnesty and cap and trade. He will not stop until he is stopped.

299 posted on 03/20/2010 8:44:14 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Fishtalk
There’s definitely corruption going on.

Rampant corruption, which also partially explains why so many congress critters are disregarding overwhelming popular opinion.
370 posted on 03/20/2010 9:20:12 AM PDT by Canedawg (FUBO)
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To: Fishtalk

Good analysis.

I’d say the one variable you left out is that a hardcore percentage of politicians have devoted their entire lives to fulfilling the Progressive (communist/socialist/collectivist...call it what you will) agenda.

They see this tyrannical piece of legislation as no less a blitz to the left than the Federal Reserve Act, FDR’s alphabet-soup bureaucracies, the elimination of a commodity-backed currency, the EPA, and the War on Poverty.

Each of those was a permanent mile-mark that has not been crossed-back since it was implement, and each one led to a hundred little bureaucracies, each chipping away at the Constitution and our civil liberties.

This push for SOCIALIST MEDICINE is just another of these mile-markers toward full-on communism.

As the Soviets declared, they’ll destroy us from within, through the Fabian approach of controlling the thought-process (education, entertainment, the courts, the media, etc.).

At the end of all these battles, there will be only one way back toward freedom.


407 posted on 03/20/2010 9:39:38 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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