Posted on 03/20/2010 9:08:59 AM PDT by SmartInsight
The House Rules Committee was gaveled into session Saturday morning, the next step in the legislative process that will lead to Sunday's debate on a landmark health-care bill.
The Rules panel is likely to meet for several hours in a cramped room on the third floor of the Capitol. It will decide the terms under which the House will vote on the Senate version of the health legislation as well as a subsequent package of legislative "fixes."
The committee -- on which Democrats have a 9 to 4 roster advantage -- is expected to approve a "deem-and-pass" strategy, under which the Senate bill would pass as part of the rule for debate and would not be subject to a separate vote.
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NRO reporting that they are trying an “executive order” on abortion that would buy off Stupak.
“Caterpillar: Health care bill would cost it $100M”
No, what SHOULD happen, according to the Constitution, is for the House to vote on the Senate Bill, as is.
Then Obama would have to sign it, it would become law, THEN they could vote on the “fixes”, i.e. reconciliation, which then would have to be voted on by the Senate.
INSTEAD, they are only voting on the “fixes”, and “DEEM” that with that vote they consider the Senate bill passed. They don’t want to go on record for actually voting on the Senate bill. This is unconstitutional, because they are supposed to actually vote on the Senate bill by itself first.
But they still need 216 votes, and much as I dislike it, I am afraid they may get the votes.
But, was deem and pass used for major policy changing legislation, or just for things for which the policy was already in place?
There’s confusion about the whole parliamentary procedures of Congress. But I think in this case, Democrats may win the battle but lose the war. The people understand the concept of an up or down vote, but how many of us really understand the parlimentary manuvers? Yet, it could be that Democrats will have to defend the use of parlimentary manuvers on a major piece of unpopular legislation.
Unfortunately, as soon as they finish voting on the fixes, the Senate bill is “deemed to have passed”, Obama will sign it and it will become LAW. The quibbling will take place on the fixes, in the meantime, whatever is in the Senate bill, and don’t kid yourself, that is sufficient for Obamacare to be implemented, WILL BECOME LAW, as soon as Obama signs it.
Then, after they deem and pass, they plan to split the original Senate bill off and send it to the President for his signature. That I’m thinking, they’re thinking, won’t pass constitutional muster. Bring in on baby, we’re ready.
If they approve “deem and pass” it will become a Constitutional challenge and go on forever. If this happens, the whole thing should be put on hold until the question is answered on whether it violates the Constitution. If they don’t do this, all hell could break loose in this country.
I saw that. Barton jumped all over that statement and thanked God, calling Waxman and he “twins” as they are in agreement that the vote should be on the Senate Bill. Waxman, who was off camera at the time reponded to Barton by saying “Hallelujah”. Others quickly interupted trying to say Waxman didn’t say what he said. It was a rather interesting exchange.
Congresswoman Slaughter was way out of her league trying to argue with Ryan of Wisconsin. She didn’t do herself, or the party, any favors in trying to sell the Slaughter Rule.
Hopefully the undeceideds saw all this and see the fallacy of their arguments.
Is that legal? Executive order to buy off Stupak. How can any sane person believe this whole thing isnt a farce. What the hell is wrong with these folks.
Then Judge Stevens retires, Obama puts in a socialist, they will have majority in the Supreme Court and it will rule in Obama’s favor.
Then Congress will “deem and pass” themselves reelected, no need for people voting, elections canceled.
Welcome to the United Communist States of America, with Obama its president for life. He’ll take tips from Kim Jong Il.
Stop it, you are killing me with neg. scary thoughts. Im trying to believe we are going to win. Ive been maniac all week. lol
From the court case (Field v. Clark {143 U.S. 649 [1892]}) the (D)s are referencing to as justification for their Demon Pass:
...In regard to certain matters, the constitution expressly requires that they(the votes for the Bill) shall be entered on the journal. To what extent the validity of legislative action may be affected by the failure to have those matters entered on the journal we need not inquire. No such question is presented for determination.
“Congresswoman Slaughter was way out of her league trying to argue with Ryan of Wisconsin.”
Arguing with Ryan is a fast way to make yourself look stupid. He’s confident yet unassuming. Also very polite, intelligent & articulate - then he hands you your @$$ with a smile.
Stevens is a Socialist.
that I can’t answer (about what legislation it was used on). Apparently the Dems made an issue out of it when the GOP used it a couple of years ago.
Why cannot the Repubs raise Points of Order either in Committee or from the floor as to constitutionality of the process? Or is that not in the rules of the House?
Waxman (D-Rodentville) does more than step in it, he LIVES in it.
Alcee Hastings now talking about deem and pass http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx
"Not yet, but they're getting close"
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