Buyer’s Remorse, Already? Democrats Fret Over Job-Killing ObamaCare Tax Hikes, Regulations

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[auboy]

Businesses, in particular Caterpillar, said this would hurt them long before the vote took place. The Democrats just didn’t want to listen. Perhaps we should all send them Q-tips to clean their ears so they can HEAR us all better.

And, as the Verizon guy would say, "can you hear me now."

[The Enlightener]

I originally thought when Obama was elected with a majority of Democrats that they would pass a bunch of tax increases that would cause much pain. I thought that this might lead to electing a radical libertarian who would be forced to end things like social security and medicare, and make deep cuts to defense and infrastructure.

Then the financial implosion hit and I got sidelined along with everyone else into doom and gloom and the sideshow of the arm twisting to pass the agenda. We are looking at this totally the wrong way. For years, I've had to argue with liberals about why their policies won't work. Now they have a chance to actually implement them and the blind idiots will be forced to see their views were wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence. No that they will ever admit they were wrong of course. They'll just shift their views and pretend they believed us all along, because that's what liberals do.

So now, I'm going back to my original thoughts. I thought it would take another 25 to 30 years before people got around to realizing that SS and Medicare were unsustainable, but with the "stimulus" package and the health care reform package(2 trillion in spending over the next 10 years, by their own numbers), this means that Obama has basically killed SS. It cannot be saved, because before these bills were passed, the projection was that it would be broke in 2034, and that even then people would be paying 70=80% in taxes to support it. But now, we are going to those kind of tax rates in the next few years. And because they spent 1 trillion dollars already, they can't paper it over any more. What happens in the coming years when the projected income from the new taxes does not materialize and the 2 trillion(stimulus + health care) balloons into 3? When we have massive layoffs and such? Does Obama become a dictator? Nope, because he does not control the military or the people who own guns. So what will happen?

A massive libertarian taker over of the government, that's what. Not that I think it's going to be good, because they are going to have to cut everything, including things that are good, to make ends meet. We'll all suffer, but only silver lining I can think of is that eventually, the end of SS, medicare, and welfare will be blamed on Barak Obama.

[Campion]

Ditto

[calex59]

Not going to mention their name, but a person I know was hired back today, after being laid off yesterday due to obamacare, with the stipulation he/she would be payed under the table and he/she couldn't talk about it to anyone(Ok, so he/she broke that part but they couldn't wait to tell me about it). This is probably going to happen all over the country. Instead of going out of business small businesses will lay people off and rehire them under the table.

This does two things, denies the feds their taxes, denies them the health care taxes and allows the under the table employees to qualify for welfare. Dirty pool? I don't think so, I think it is called survival.

[Osage Orange]

The passage of this bill is going to inflict noticeable pain, and in the end will spell the defeat of the Democratic Party at a minimum, and perhaps liberalism itself will be relegated to the trash can where it belongs.

Wow!!

Can you tell me where the DOW will be this coming July 1st?

[calex59]

Oops, post #44, payed = paid. Sorry about that.

[Osage Orange]

I think your time-line is a bit off.......

[Zionist Conspirator]

F**K YOU DEMOCRATS!

Hey, you've just committed a hate crime! Don't you know it is not only evil and immoral, but illegal, to criticize Democrats?

Although you did use the "f-word," which is the only "free speech" protected by the First Amendment, so maybe you'll get off.

[Tzimisce]

Cool - they can come arrest my ass!

I’ll happily become that poster boy. :)

[BossLady]

This idea will certainly make the unemployment numbers skyrocket ;)

[swarthyguy]

>.So why didn’t large and small business speak out?

Because, simply put, they are anticipating unloading all their health care costs on to the Fed, taking them off their books and saving the costs of administration, among other things.

[NVDave]

What irony you would mention Verizon.

Guess who else is telling employees about the rise in expenses due to this legislation today?

[NVDave]

They might have been hoping to do that... but as I understand this legislation, they cannot.

[swarthyguy]

>>I understand this legislation

Well, at least someone does ;>>

Or eventually, as private insurers stagger under the new coverage requirements, (sound the trumpets), TARP for health insurers.......defacto nationalization, private entities running with government funds and supervision.

Like our banks, insurance companies, Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac and all.

Plausible?

[Terry Mross]

And the small business she “contracts” for will save money. It can deduct her pay as an “expense” but not have to pay into the SS pool. I would reccommend this business pay this person $1,199 then sign a new contract under a new name. And do this until the end of the year.

[reformedliberal]

Or that you won’t pay even more for whatever you are still allowed to have.

[henkster]

“This idea will certainly make the unemployment numbers skyrocket”

Unexpectedly, too.

[TexasFreeper2009]

Any attempt by them to FIX this before November would be a tactical error or colossal proportions.

[Mama Shawna]

You got that right! Hubby and I haven’t raised our prices since 2008 for our small biz, and looking at giving a discount on a big job we are bidding just to get the work!

[Windflier]

It is time to permanently retire them and also exact revenge.

Can we exact revenge, and then retire them?