Star Traveler, read http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/ and then get back to me.
I read through it and that would take a court quite a while to go through all that evidence to verify and prove those various things. But, that's what courts are for, if there are violations of the law.
I just let the courts take care of it. I'm sure that there are enterprising attorneys who would love to "make the case" on all this -- to a court of law -- and I say, "Go for it" if that attorney can do so.
Let me know when that court decision comes down on those items and issues brought up. I'll be interested in seeing that.
The Hawaii DOH has already indirectly confirmed that the best they have on Obama is not even good enough to be prima facie evidence.
What I do know is that what went out to the American public as an official statement from the State of Hawaii is what most voters will pay attention to.
All you have to do is consider this... if you take two sheets of paper (or several sheets each) -- one for the statement from the State of Hawaii and several others for the listed items that you gave at that link -- I can tell you where most of the voting public, the average man on the street would go... it would be to this statement...
I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.
That's because it's an official statement from the State of Hawaii, it comes from the Department that prints out the certified copy -- and I think that most people realize that if the very department that prints out that copy also says this statement above -- you can be sure that the copy they print is going to say the same thing... :-)
They're going to look at those other items as something that they won't be able to determine one way or another as to whether they are true or not -- and faced with an outright statement from the State of Hawaii, that's going to carry the day. And that makes sense.
But going further... as to whether what the State of Hawaii has is good enough for evidence or not... that would be something for a court to determine. That's not something that the general public would determine.
For the general public, the official statement is all they are going to consider. For all the ins and outs of legal evidence, and whether it's good enough (or not) and whether there are any crimes committed by the various officials or not... that's all something that a court would determine.
And by now, most everyone is familiar with the innocent until proven guilty -- so in the meantime, even if some official is guilty of some crime, no one is going to assert that this is true, unless a court of law makes that kind of final determination (at least, that's the way our system works...).
The legalities will be determined by a court, while the general public will be reading the official public statement by the State of Hawaii.
Those are the facts. Let’s stick with the facts.
Well, I and others in the public won't actually know what the facts are, in regards to that article, until a court of law hears those issues and makes a legal determination of guilt or innocence on those issues.
At least that's the way I operate when it comes down to someone being charged with a crime and assessing their guilt (or not). I usually wait for a court or a jury to make that determination.
What's given in the media (any media, whether the Internet or blogs or the paper or the news... etc.) is simply someone writing it up.
But, when the State of Hawaii puts something out, officially, stating that Obama was born in Hawaii -- that's not someone writing up a news article or a blog or an evening news story. That's their official pronouncement to the public.
However, as I said, when you see that someone gets that case going that you're referring to (those issues listed in that article) please let me know as I'll be interested in following it and seeing what is decided, as guilty or not guilty...
What I’ve got on my site are official responses from the DOH. They are legally bound to those. Fukino very carefully worded her statements only to say that there is a document in their office which claims that Obama was born in Hawaii.
The rest of the post basically amounts to “The people are too stupid to sort out what Fukino said.”
More’s the pity. That doesn’t mean that you have to do the same.