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To: OneWingedShark
Epic fail on the political front.

I am not talking theology, but how men govern their affairs.

Men were not meant to be ruled, but to be free. That is inherent in our founding philosophy and documents that it is our GOD given right to be free. You may think that God bequeathed slavery to you, but that is your own misconception. We were endowed by our Creator with inalienable rights, among them to be free.

A man who claims to be King is not Jesus. Our founding was decidedly anti-aristocracy. “No King but Jesus” was a common revolutionary slogan. Jesus was the Son of God, but he was also the son of a carpenter and learned a skill, he was not by that measure an aristocrat, nor did he claim his power was because of some hereditary allotment from God, Jesus IS God.

Epic fail on the theology front.

You are one confused individual. Freedom is bequeathed to us by God, God means for us to be free. Our founding recognizes our God given right to be free, not our God given slavery.

525 posted on 04/01/2010 7:10:30 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

>Epic fail on the political front.
>I am not talking theology, but how men govern their affairs.

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” — John Adams, 2nd President of the Constitutional United States of America

Ah, but theology DEEPLY impacts how men conduct themselves, how they treat others, and [thusly] how the govern. Or would you argue that Muslim countries have a more elevated/civilized law deriving from the idea that man is a clod? {As opposed to the Jedo-Christian worldview of man being made in God’s image.} Or the pagan religions?

>A man who claims to be King is not Jesus.

Four Gospels say otherwise.

Matt 11:27
Meanwhile Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “Yes, it is as you say,” Jesus replied.

Mark 15:2
Pilate questioned Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?” And He answered him, “It is as you say.”

Luke 23:3
So Pilate asked Jesus, “Are you the king of the Jews?”
“Yes, it is as you say,” Jesus replied.

And, my favorite, John 18:33-37
Therefore Pilate entered again into the Praetorium, and summoned Jesus and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?”

Jesus answered, “Are you saying this on your own initiative, or did others tell you about Me?”

Pilate answered, “I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests delivered You to me; what have You done?”

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”

Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”

>“No King but Jesus” was a common revolutionary slogan.

Then, by your own words, you have proven that not all kings & kingdoms were rejected by the revolutionaries.

In logic, all that is required to disprove a ‘for all’ statement is ONE counter-example.

>You may think that God bequeathed slavery to you,

I never made such a claim.

>Jesus was the Son of God, but he was also the son of a carpenter and learned a skill, he was not by that measure an aristocrat,

I agree. Certainly not in that measure.

>nor did he claim his power was because of some hereditary allotment from God,

Then explain John 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

>Jesus IS God.

Jesus IS also [a] man.

>Epic fail on the theology front.

Really? This from someone who said that Jesus never claimed to be a king isn’t worth much.


781 posted on 04/01/2010 2:34:58 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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