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To: D521646
Well, that would be self evident, wouldn't it? I will be smarter (loose term) tomorrow than I am today.. :)

Unless of course, you get a disease that reduces your ability to learn. Also, if man truly was learning and getting smarter, why does every generation seem to repeat the same mistakes? But I digress...

“This is a logical fallacy.” Oh, and which fallacy would that be?

Going back to your original quote:

My belief is that it is not unreasonable to presuppose that with enough luck, and over time, humans can know all there is to know about the universe. If it is logical to accept this premise, then, and only then, one can accept that, if it is possible for humans to become God-like, then it is also possible to assume that something has come before us.

I retract my comment, since your second statement presupposes your first statement. I got caught up in the "then, and only then" clause. My apologies.

It doesn't need to come from anywhere in order for the premise to be true; it only need be present.

So, are you proposing an un-caused cause?

By accident, I assume you mean random chance? Accident implies a priori intent.

The words can be synonymous, but to clarify I mean something that happens unpredictably or without purpose.

“If we are here by accident, there is no God” Now, this is a logical fallacy.

To clarify, I mean a Creator-God that has imbued us with intelligence to observe his creation, and has a purpose for His creation, not just a really powerful being. Perhaps a better way to say this is that if there is no God, we are here by accident. I must think on this further...

What are the limits on intelligence, and knowledge?

I think this would have to rely on the number of synaptic connection that we could ultimately have in our brains, and the amount of information that we can store. However, it is not infinite. Also, if you know your Heisenberg uncertainty theory, you would know that we can't know everything by observation.

Making sense, is the crux of the issue.

My presupposition is that we are here for a purpose. I also know that if all there that exists is the universe I live in and nothing else outside of it, there is no ultimate purpose for anyone's existence, since it will all be gone one day. I would rather believe I was given knowledge for a purpose than for nothing.

However, if there is something outside of this universe, the Uncaused Cause, then there is a purpose for this life.

85 posted on 04/09/2010 10:47:42 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: kosciusko51
Sorry typing too fast

"if all there that exists is the universe" == "if all that exists is the universe"

86 posted on 04/09/2010 10:49:47 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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