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To: Voter62vb

Its not the left we are trying to win, its the vast middle ground with all the soccer moms and squeamish middle class.

Without them there is no victory for us. I’m not saying its
wrong to parade with guns, just ill-advised. Most people don’t associate guns with anything except killing. I’m
just saying - its not going to win a lot of unconvinced to our side.


44 posted on 04/19/2010 3:34:25 PM PDT by rahbert (Buffalo or giraffe?)
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To: rahbert
"Most people don’t associate guns with anything except killing. I’m just saying - its not going to win a lot of unconvinced to our side."

I think it's clear which side you are on.

47 posted on 04/19/2010 3:40:13 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: rahbert

Good people have guns. It is their right.

I think the message has to go out strongly that there are millions of good, steady normal people that have firearms, are careful with firearms, and have the right and responsibility to the Constitution to have those firearms.

good people have guns. It is their right.

The left has continually painted gun ownership as crazy and frightening. They continually show guns are only proper in the hands of the state. If they win that propagnada war, game over.

Good people have guns. It is their right.

People should be FAR more fearful of the creeping tyranny, the loss of privacy in all forms, the growing dependence on the political class and the governments ability to crush the individual.

Good people have guns. It is their right.

And that is the burden of the 2nd amendment: the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

The founders were not products of antiquity - the were modern, incredibly brave, clear thinking people that knew the best of humankind...and the very worst.

They wrote the Constitution so we could be our best and protect the people from humankinds worst.


53 posted on 04/19/2010 3:58:47 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: rahbert

Without them there is no victory for us. I’m not saying its
wrong to parade with guns, just ill-advised. Most people don’t associate guns with anything except killing. I’m
just saying - its not going to win a lot of unconvinced to our side.
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1. Most people who associate guns with killing are not useful to the movement.
2. How many people were killed at the rally?

Once again at a peaceful rally, we are viewed as violent thugs, rather than citizens with rights. This is only shocking to the ignorant rubes that voted for Obama.

THe timing issue is a non issue. We have rights, one of them is the 2nd admendment. Any person who cannot understand this, are a lost cause. Don’t count on them for votes.


62 posted on 04/19/2010 4:46:13 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (REGISTERED RIGHT WING THUG!)
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To: rahbert
Its not the left we are trying to win, its the vast middle ground with all the soccer moms and squeamish middle class. Without them there is no victory for us. I’m not saying its wrong to parade with guns, just ill-advised. Most people don’t associate guns with anything except killing. I’m just saying - its not going to win a lot of unconvinced to our side.

I see this point. I agreed with it 12 years ago. It was also a different era in firearms 12 years ago with Columbine.

Things have changed on the ground. The reason is concealed carry and its success. Many of those soccer moms are now carrying or know people who carry - people that aren't "gun nuts" like some characterize me. Concealed carry classes are filling up. Permits are increasing heavily. I can't speak for Washington State, but that's from Michigan.

Before you saying that Michigan is probably the most pro-gun of the blue states, I live in the people's republic of Washtenaw County, with an Ann Arbor mailing address. I've seen inroads made here, which is one of the most anti-gun areas in the state.

I think most people aren't paying attention to this march. If there was a shooting there, I'd agree with you, but there wasn't.

65 posted on 04/19/2010 4:57:54 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (I don't look for leaders. I follow my own path, my way.)
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