[Pan_Yans Wife]

Ummm... the hospital where I was born no longer exists. So, if I were a presidential candidate, they wouldn’t be able to provide a birthcertificate.

[ResistorSister]

OK - the county health department or some other “official” office. How’s that?

[Red Badger]

States keep the birth certificates. I got mine from the State of California, not the hospital.................

[LibertyRocks]

Agree with the requirement mentioned - but that it must be sent directly by one state’s Vital Statistics office to the S.O.S. in the other state without the candidate even being involved. Agreeing to run should also mean agreeing to open your records and showing you are eligible to run — not that others will have to prove you are NOT eligible!

Then again, there are also adopted folks like me out there whose original birth certificates are sealed by law, and we can’t request those. I assume that I am a “Natural Born Citizen” but I could not prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt because I cannot access my original birth certificate.

I only have access to my amended certificate that indicates my adoptive parents as the Birth Mother & Birth Father (and includes hospital, doctor (typed not signed), time, date, height, weight, etc... too — on the long form I was able to specifically request for a little extra money).

Of course, if I were to run for office which required these documents I would file with the court to have my original birth records UNSEALED — not sealed as Obama has apparently done. Barring my having it available to ME, I would be very upset, but would not object to having the records reviewed by the S.O.S.’s and for them to verify while still maintaining the privacy of that record (even though, as I said I completely disagree with them being able to see what I cannot legally see about myself!).

Every state’s laws regarding these Vital Statistics records vary, BTW. Just like election laws vary in each state.

People may be interested to know that it wasn’t until (IIRC) the 1930s??? (sometime after 1900) that Birth Records were NOT maintained as PUBLIC RECORDS (meaning available to all). It was supposedly because of the “stigma of adoption on the child” when in reality it was more a problem of powerful families not wanting records of their bastard children available to the public. (Sorry if that sounded crude — I don’t like the word, but couldn’t think of any other way to convey the truth behind the law...).

[Vendome]

Here is something I like to post from time to time:

 

 

Let them claim there is no long form.

 

1st.  They and everyone has said all along the COLB is an abstract.  That means there is a long form.

 

2nd.  Hawaii already said they have seen Barry O.'s vital records and issued two statements - blah, blah, blah, right?

 

3rd.  Barry O. never had to show his long form BC ever, in his life, for anything?  Like obtaining a passport.  That one document is better than a drivers license.  It saying to the world you are who is contained in the passport document, which is based on an investigation of your background and YOU MUST provide a Birth Certificate as foundational proof of who YOU say you are.  From there the State Department does their background check on you and if you are who you say you are with no ammendments, modifications or whatever to your identity they issue it clean. 

 

Most adults can go to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and produce a birth certificate in a few minutes?

 

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

• His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”.  That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s.  So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
•  The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan.  If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
• The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds.  A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
• The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii.  Why?  Because it was computer generated and not scanned.  Guess they forgot to add that back in.
• More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.

 The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.

• His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
• The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn't available?
• Why couldn't he just present the one he found among his mother's belongings upon her death.   He waxed on and wondered about it and his father in one of his books.  Why not post that one?

Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings.  Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC.  That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.

 

 

 

[TheThinker]

Ummm... the hospital where I was born no longer exists. So, if I were a presidential candidate, they wouldn’t be able to provide a birthcertificate.

But unlike Obama, I'm sure you can attest to which hospital you were born.

[presently no screen name]

Well, you wouldn’t be a presidential candidate - you already know you are missing something to comply.