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To: JoSixChip

It will be assumed to be a legal order unless the defense can show Lakin had ample reason to think otherwise. As a rule of thumb, if the 4-star on down to the O-6 thinks it is a legal order, the LTC is expected to trust their judgment.

You cannot have a functioning military if everyone gets to pick and choose. And before someone asks about Nuremberg, Lakin wasn’t ordered to kill civilians in gas chambers...


39 posted on 04/22/2010 5:09:56 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers
"As a rule of thumb, if the 4-star on down to the O-6 thinks it is a legal order, the LTC is expected to trust their judgment."

Really? I'd love to see a source for that little nugget.
45 posted on 04/22/2010 5:45:45 PM PDT by JoSixChip (You think your having a bad day?.....Somewhere out there is a Mr. Pelosi!)
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It will be assumed to be a legal order

I believe that's one of the points in the manual for courts martial, that an order is presumed to be legal. I think this is true even if there are problems with the order, but it is delivered according to a standard procedure.

That would apply to this order, since it probably went through the SecDef and the CJCS and the Army CIC.

That said, I hope (against hope) that Lakin prevails; and I do think that Obama should prove his status.

49 posted on 04/22/2010 5:56:50 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Mr Rogers

“It will be assumed to be a legal order unless the defense can show Lakin had ample reason to think otherwise. As a rule of thumb, if the 4-star on down to the O-6 thinks it is a legal order, the LTC is expected to trust their judgment.”

If he cannot question the legality of his orders then how were all those guards convicted at Nuremburg? The prosecution specifically held that they should have disobeyed their orders and thus risked joining the Jews in the ‘showers.’ Those guards were caught between a rock and a hard spot - damnned if the did and damned if they didn’t. LTC Lakin is in an arguably similar position.

I doubt we’ll decide his fate here... except through prayer.


53 posted on 04/22/2010 6:19:50 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: Mr Rogers; JoSixChip
You cannot have a functioning military if everyone gets to pick and choose. And before someone asks about Nuremberg, Lakin wasn’t ordered to kill civilians in gas chambers...

SPs have a field day!

But he was ordered to go to a war zone in Afghanistan!!

Orders vs, orders, logic, hmmmm!!!

177 posted on 04/23/2010 10:30:15 AM PDT by danamco (")
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