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US says FL can't opt out (Of ObamaCare)
Health Florida News ^ | 4/24/10 | Carl Gentry

Posted on 04/24/2010 3:19:30 PM PDT by pissant

Only hours after the Florida House and Senate voted to “opt out” of the new federal health law, the top U.S. health official said Thursday night that will not be permitted.

Without mentioning any particular state or going into detail, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that state and local officials can vent all they want about a so-called “federal takeover” of health care. But they cannot deny their citizens access to its benefits or requirements, she told the Association of Health Care Journalists.

“They may want to opt out, but they don’t get to opt out all of their citizens who want and need health care,” Sebelius said.

Florida has an estimated 4 million uninsured, most of whom will be covered when the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) takes full effect in 2014.

At least 30 states have passed state constitutional amendment legislation similar to that approved by the Florida Legislature, according to theNational Conference of State Legislatures.

Sebelius said the backlash against the ACA has been ginned up by “misinformation,” much of it deliberate. Thus HHS will be setting up an Internet site to answer frequent questions and a toll-free helpline, similar to that operated for Medicare beneficiaries. HHS staff members present at the conference said they hope to have the Internet site up by July 1 and the help desk soon after.

(Excerpt) Read more at healthnewsflorida.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; healthcare; isobamaateabagger; larrysinclairslover; obama; obamacare; socialism; statesrights
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To: Manly Warrior

>>> Human rights? That term is in the US Constitution?

yeah... as in right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The question then was whether or not a black man was human, and therefore entitled to those same rights.

I cannot believe i’m hearing this stuff from fellow freepers.


81 posted on 04/24/2010 4:25:42 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
"The right to Liberty necessarily precludes slavery, especially since ALL men are created equal. However, there is no decree in the Declaration of Independence or right enumerated in the Constitution whereby the US Federal Government can do what it is trying to do."

You made my point better than I did. You don't trade one form of slavery for another.

82 posted on 04/24/2010 4:30:02 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Safrguns

How do you, then, explain the chattel slavery in the North? General Grant had black slaves to serve him, even when he was on duty during the war! The parties who really made money on slavery were the New England Yankee traders-many of whom are the origins of quite a few of the old New England blue-blood family fortunes—Yankee traders who dominated the transatlantic slave trade, even after it was legally terminated per the Constitution, long before the Civil War. States aren’t mere vassals of the Federal Government...each (State governments and the Fed) is sovereign in their respective different areas, assigned by the US Constitution. But Hell, I guess you can’t expect a non-citizen like Obama and his minions to realize that.


83 posted on 04/24/2010 4:30:07 PM PDT by dtrpscout (A bad dog is better than most good people.)
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To: Safrguns

“If it was not a state’s choice to comply or reject Lincoln’s anti-slavery edict that defined them as confederate or union, then what was it?”

Secession. The Emancipation Proclamation did jack for slaves in Union controlled areas. It was a failed attempted - well into the war - to raise a fifth column.

The Union did not free the last of its own slaves until the winter of 1865-1866, and then went on to spread justice and freedom to the Sioux, Cheyenne, Crow, Comanche, Nez Perce etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.


84 posted on 04/24/2010 4:30:46 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Is it sedition to defy usurpation?)
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To: Psalm 144

Amen.


85 posted on 04/24/2010 4:31:43 PM PDT by dtrpscout (A bad dog is better than most good people.)
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To: RightOnline

>>> Sorry, friend. Wrong. Dead wrong. Not even close. It was ENTIRELY about States’ rights.

The states had overstepped their bounds on states rights by violating individual rights.

Are you suggesting that the southern states were willing to give up slave ownership?

Particularly WHICH states rights are you referring to that led them to war then?


86 posted on 04/24/2010 4:32:27 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: MWestMom

Apparently “we won” means a greatly different thing to most Americans than it does to Obama.


87 posted on 04/24/2010 4:33:42 PM PDT by dtrpscout (A bad dog is better than most good people.)
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To: Safrguns
"And of course finally, if it was not about slavery, then where was it allowed after the civil war? If Lincoln didn't free the slaves, then who did?"

You miss the point. Lincoln didn't start The Civil War to abolish slavery. He tossed that one in to keep it going. Do a little reserch on the matter.

88 posted on 04/24/2010 4:34:52 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Psalm 144

>>> Secession.

Why did they secede?


89 posted on 04/24/2010 4:35:50 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

That’s your opinion.


90 posted on 04/24/2010 4:36:10 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Safrguns

Your ignorance is astounding.


91 posted on 04/24/2010 4:36:16 PM PDT by dtrpscout (A bad dog is better than most good people.)
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To: MWestMom

I am not blocking it. The Congress and the President are.


92 posted on 04/24/2010 4:37:50 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: dtrpscout

What the war was fought for, in your opinion , and what we have now are two different things.

If you think the states are not subordinate to the federal Government , it isnt I , who are wrong.

Did you actually read Sebelius’s statement the Feds will not allow Florida to opt out? Do you really bel;ieve they will let Florida opt out?


93 posted on 04/24/2010 4:40:29 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Safrguns
"Why did they secede?"

For a number of reasons. Do a little research. Slavery only came up after draft riots occurred. By the way slavery was wrong then and it is still wrong today. Think about that.

94 posted on 04/24/2010 4:42:17 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: fatnotlazy

I really don’t think the States will try to secede—I think that the States are in the process of SUCCESSFULLY reasserting their sovereignty within their own borders as prescribed by the US Constitution, within the Union.


95 posted on 04/24/2010 4:44:44 PM PDT by dtrpscout (A bad dog is better than most good people.)
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To: Safrguns

I’m not “suggesting” that the southern states were “willing to give up slave ownership”....it’s a fact.

Look, no offense intended, but it’s not my place to write a treatise on slavery and the Civil War here in a post on FR. I will respectfully suggest you forget the drivel you were fed in public school and actually research it.

Slavery was dying in the South; that is a fact. The war was fought over States’ right, end of story. Here in the South, the average Southerner knows FAR more about the war than the average northerner....for many reasons. Long memories down here. They don’t call it “The War of Northern Oppression” for nothing.


96 posted on 04/24/2010 4:45:23 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Terry Mross
It is so obvious these clowns in charge today believe there should be no state borders.

Or national ones either.

97 posted on 04/24/2010 4:47:56 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney,No Mark Kirk (Illinois), not now, not ever!)
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To: pissant

And that is what we want. Off to SCOTUS for a ruling.


98 posted on 04/24/2010 4:48:04 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Bye bye Miss American Freedom. When did we vote for Communism?)
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To: Venturer

Oh, I think that Obama is TRYING to assert Federal sovereignty over the states as vassals-—I just don’t believe that Obama and his ilk are gonna actually be able to pull it off.


99 posted on 04/24/2010 4:48:32 PM PDT by dtrpscout (A bad dog is better than most good people.)
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To: Desdemona

The socialists think the several sovereign states of the USA are vassal states to pay tribute to the King, Lord and Master of the USA. That is how they see it. They have no respect for Federalism as established and codified under the US Constitution.

We are in a massive culture war for the direction of the nation - whether we will be free or soon be slaves. This is about nothing less.


100 posted on 04/24/2010 4:50:10 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Bye bye Miss American Freedom. When did we vote for Communism?)
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