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GOP Kills Science Jobs Bill By Forcing Dems To Vote For Porn
TPM ^ | 5/14/10 | Rachel Slajda

Posted on 05/15/2010 4:10:07 PM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: Oceander

Great banner,...we need to see more of it ...across multiple threads.


21 posted on 05/16/2010 7:11:58 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the ping.


22 posted on 05/16/2010 7:13:56 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: LibWhacker; steelyourfaith; NormsRevenge; Fred Nerks; blam; SunkenCiv; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; ...
increase funding for scientific research

Anything that supports the propaganda effort called climate Research ...aka ...the Global Warming Hoax...needs to be stripped out of the bill.

23 posted on 05/16/2010 7:16:40 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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24 posted on 05/16/2010 7:18:42 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; Entrepreneur; Darnright; Nipfan; Defendingliberty; ...
"Anything that supports the propaganda effort called climate Research ...aka ...the Global Warming Hoax...needs to be stripped out of the bill."

Ditto and Thanx !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

25 posted on 05/16/2010 7:24:36 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (America should take a mulligan on the 2008 presidential election.)
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To: Richard Kimball; NTHockey

I’m no expert but I think this is the way it went and it suggests that our minority could use similar tactics for lots of legislation:

With a bill out of committee and introduced to the floor for a vote any member can propose an amendment, in this case, a motion to recommit to the committee with mandatory instructions to include the “no pay for porn” provision.

If the dims didn’t want for the bill to go back through the committee process they would have had to vote against the motion which of course included the pay for porn provision.
This would have allowed any opponent to point out the dim’s vote against an amendment designed to implement a “no pay for porn” law ... ;-)

Since the bill now goes back to committee it may be it simply dies because no one wants to try again or it may be subjected to significant changes to get out of committee again.

With some big bills there are votes on the rules that limit amendments and so this may not be a tactic that can be used regularly ... anyone else have some input?


26 posted on 05/16/2010 8:07:53 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Tunehead54

Thanks. Considering the insane deals and payoffs that were made on the health care bill, it seems like this tactic could be helpful.


27 posted on 05/16/2010 8:20:06 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Anything that supports the propaganda effort called climate Research ...aka ...the Global Warming Hoax...needs to be stripped out of the bill.

I would dearly love to see an accounting on how many tax payer dollars are paid to Gov't bureaucrats to study THE MYTH.

GOTTA BE IN THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.

28 posted on 05/16/2010 8:32:03 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (makes me wanna holler)
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To: Richard Kimball

If the same bill comes out of committee and passes with the “no pay for porn” the pubbies will need more recommit motions - here’s some candidates:

No sex with interns amendment

No drinking alcohol on the floor of the house amendment

No prostitutes in congressional offices amendment

No bestiality on federal grounds amendment ...

Just a start ... ;-)


29 posted on 05/16/2010 8:46:02 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: okie01; Grampa Dave; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester; Ernest_at_the_Beach; BOBTHENAILER
"Once we get a majority in the House, let's remember the pornography trick to defeat funding for healthcare..."

Now THAT's a CAPITAL IDEA!!!

30 posted on 05/16/2010 5:47:47 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Contempt of Congress" used to be a minor crime. Now it's a badge of honor!!!)
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To: okie01; Grampa Dave; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester; Ernest_at_the_Beach; BOBTHENAILER
"Once we get a majority in the House, let's remember the pornography trick to defeat funding for healthcare..."

Now THAT's a CAPITAL IDEA!!!

31 posted on 05/16/2010 5:49:58 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Contempt of Congress" used to be a minor crime. Now it's a badge of honor!!!)
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To: LibWhacker

Why can’t the private sector fund scientific research and math? If they find something then can patent or copyright it and make some cash.

As for “science education,” well, we’ve seen how well Federally funded eduction works, right?


32 posted on 05/17/2010 5:17:04 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Little Ray

You believe the only things worth discovering are those that can be monetized?


33 posted on 05/21/2010 11:39:07 AM PDT by ivyleaguebrat
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To: ivyleaguebrat

I believe that, sooner or later, everything you discover has monetary value...


34 posted on 05/21/2010 1:20:26 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Little Ray

Even if that is true, shareholders tend to demand a more specific timeframe than “sooner or later.”

And I would disagree. I would suggest that the vast majority of discoveries—from the discovery of novel fundamental particles to the characterization of distant star systems—will not lead to a profitable application within 100 years (if ever).


35 posted on 05/21/2010 3:50:40 PM PDT by ivyleaguebrat
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To: ivyleaguebrat
“I cannot say what use (electricity) may be, but I can confidently predict that one day you will be able to tax it.” Reputedly said by Michal Faraday to differing sources, probably apocryphal.
36 posted on 05/21/2010 3:57:35 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

And I challenge you to demonstrate that Faraday’s discoveries were funded through private enterprise, and not through the state :).


37 posted on 05/21/2010 4:09:26 PM PDT by ivyleaguebrat
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To: ivyleaguebrat

My point isn’t that these discoveries definitely will not lead to profitable applications, its just that right now we can’t specifically foresee any.

Currently, private biotech companies “stand on the shoulders” of discoveries funded by the taxpayer. However, I see no indication that removing that private funding will have it replaced by private funding. I think it more likely that basic/pure research will simply slow down dramatically, and along with it the training of new scientists.


38 posted on 05/21/2010 4:13:58 PM PDT by ivyleaguebrat
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To: ivyleaguebrat
That should read "I see no indication that removing that public funding will have it replaced by private funding..."
39 posted on 05/21/2010 4:14:45 PM PDT by ivyleaguebrat
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To: ivyleaguebrat
Although made a (very hard working and treated like a servant and not well paid) member of the Royal Society, I believe he got a lot of his funding for pure research from his sponsor John “Mad Jack” Fuller.

His major discoveries were already made by the time he was made director of the laboratories at the Royal Society, which, no doubt was a better paid and more prestigious position.

As a scientist I am all for funding of science and research, for several reasons. Promoting the Arts and Sciences is one of the FEW enumerated powers of Congress.

While direct funding is not the mentioned mechanism for this promotion of the Arts and Sciences, presently the government taxes take so much ‘air out of the room’, that I support them resupplying science with a decent amount of ‘oxygen’.

Bob Wilson said of Particle Accelerators in specific but of scientific funding and education and projects in general (like going to the Moon), that they had not only to do with national defense (like the Atomic Bomb)....

“It has only to do with the respect with which we regard one another, the dignity of men, our love of culture. It has to do with: Are we good painters, good sculptors, great poets? I mean all the things we really venerate in our country and are patriotic about. It has nothing to do directly with defending our country except to make it worth defending.” Robert R. “Bob” Wilson, Physicist

40 posted on 05/21/2010 4:27:25 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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