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After delay, BP restarts 'top kill' effort (Effort failing? Narcissist took credit too early!)
CNN ^ | May 27, 2010

Posted on 05/27/2010 6:23:59 PM PDT by JimWayne

The light-brown material that was seen spilling out of the well throughout Thursday was the previously pumped fluid from the "top kill" procedure mixed with oil, he said..."I probably should apologize to folks that we haven't been giving more data on that," Suttles said when asked why it took so long for BP to announce it had suspended the top kill.

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KEYWORDS: bp; deephorz; deepwaterhorizon; energy; obummer; offshore; oil; oilspill
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To: dr_lew

That live feed may be a fraud like the rest of this mess — BP didn’t pump drilling mud into the hole for almost 24 hours. Quite Wednesday night after it was spewing both mud and oil and resumed tonight.

That Coast Guard person was out of line saying it worked when they were not even pumping mud at the time not to mention this Administration and BP led people to believe it was working when they were not even pumping.


51 posted on 05/27/2010 10:31:25 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Rick Perry - TX Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 !)
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To: One Name

I agree. Liberals do not play that way. They overreach on everything. If they don’t get it, obviously nobody else does.
I’ve been living in that stupid ideology for all my life.


52 posted on 05/27/2010 10:33:03 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: PhiKapMom; All

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

The above is BP’s streaming camera link. It looks worse right now than it did about 12 hours ago. IMHO, the “top” looks to have more and “larger cracks” with more junk spewing from it.


53 posted on 05/27/2010 10:34:22 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: musicman

Wish I could say I was shocked because 12 hours ago they were not pumping in drilling mud — wonder if they used too much pressure or it is the fact that what works on land may not work in the ocean with pressure on the tube.

Couldn’t believe when I read tonight at the NY Times that BP has not been putting drilling mud in the hole for 24 hours. Wonder if they saw more cracks developing?


54 posted on 05/27/2010 10:38:29 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Rick Perry - TX Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 !)
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To: Syncro
unfortunatly top kill wont work because of the geology. the sea bottom there is just muck. Any thing placed on top will just blow out somewere else.

Imagine a garden hose with a high pressure nozzle turned on full blast buried in three feet of mud shooting straight up. Even if you parked a D8 dozer on it , it would continue to leak.

I sent this suggestion to the Deepwater Horizon response suggestion box

" because the geology will not hold the pressure making efforts to plug the leak futile. Can the flow be diverted to the surface by means of a topping cone over the leak with an attached vessel with sufficient ballast to overcome the thrust pressure. Once the flow is diverted to the surface via an increasingly larger diameter pipe system to relieve pressure, the product, mud, hazardous gases, seawater, could be separated and loaded onto tankers and barges or to atmosphere "

55 posted on 05/27/2010 10:38:52 PM PDT by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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To: PhiKapMom

Pumping mud is just eye wash to make it look like they are doing something , evidently from what I’ve read the last thing they want is to suddenly plug it, if they do , it will blow out farther down and the pressurized oil will just be more out of control, possibly making a relief well impossible


56 posted on 05/27/2010 10:43:34 PM PDT by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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To: musicman

Yeah not only does it look like the pressure is starting to further crack the riser, but the flow is a little darker. Not a good sign.


57 posted on 05/27/2010 10:47:46 PM PDT by jerry557
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To: KTM rider

I believe you described the next planned step.


58 posted on 05/27/2010 10:52:04 PM PDT by Williams (It's the policies, stupid)
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To: KTM rider

Just read at the New Orleans newspaper site that they are going to be inserting tennis and golf balls as they are changing strategy.

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/top_kill_strategy_to_be_adjust.html

People are expecting it to blow sky high from some of the comments. BP has by far the worst safety record of any oil company yet ZERO allowed them to stay in charge. Seems 97% of major safety violations belong to BP. That must have been some amount of money BP donated to Obama and the Democrats.


59 posted on 05/27/2010 10:58:09 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Rick Perry - TX Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 !)
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To: CajunConservative

Why areent they setting it on fire?


60 posted on 05/27/2010 11:19:59 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: jerry557

Around 1:20AM CDT ( same as video feed time ) The water got all murky, and someone on the “Oil Drum” blog thought it “blew”, however just after that you could watch them apparently sampling the flows with some kind of sensor ( still on camera. ) If the light brown stuff is “mud”, it looks like they’re still pumping it. I’m feeling a glimmer of hope right now ... I hope.


61 posted on 05/27/2010 11:32:00 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Williams

I am all for useing a Kirby Vacuum cleaner...it will pick up anything.....


62 posted on 05/27/2010 11:47:23 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: JimWayne; All

While Obama was speaking, and the market was making a significant recovery, including BP up over 5%, BP executives were failing to tell anyone that they stopped pumping mud the previous midnight, because of some kind of problem. Wonder if anyone made money on BP stock from insider knowledge, while hanging out the President to dry.

Also, I am a little confused as to why people want the President to jump into an industrial accident while the big complaint has been he is a meddling socialist/communist. Here is another link with now 4 companies to blame for failures:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704269204575270320416130984.html?ru=MKTW&mod=MKTW#articleTabs%3Dcomments


63 posted on 05/27/2010 11:47:27 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: KTM rider
"Even if you parked a D8 dozer on it , it would continue to leak."

Speaking of leaks..how bout shooting some sort double port catheter in the oil drain with an attached inflatable balloon until a better solution can be had...you can control the pressure needed to secure the thing to the back end of the oil drain by adding water or air to the balloon through one port and the other port allows forward passage of fluid (oil in this case) into a container or bag that can be emptied when full.

Ask any doctor or nurse how this works. Yes..I'm talking about a giant catheter like the ones used for bladder leaks, made of possibly an inflatable weather balloon with attached flexible dual port pipe hose to get a temporary controlled release.

If the surface at the back end of the busted oil drain is too rough for a balloon, secure the catheter with a giant spring toggle like they use to secure screws to the back of drywall.

I'm sure the NAVY guys will come up with something to stop this.

64 posted on 05/27/2010 11:48:45 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: KTM rider; Syncro
unfortunatly top kill wont work because of the geology. the sea bottom there is just muck.

It's all Mississippi Delta mud.

65 posted on 05/27/2010 11:52:49 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: KTM rider; All

Regarding diverting to the surface with a toping cone. I thought this is what they already tried when the methane at that depth froze up and clogged the pipe to the surface. The problem is that there is just not enough data on working at these depths. Also they drilled another 3 miles to reach the oil, and I would be surprised if all 3 miles was just muck.


66 posted on 05/27/2010 11:57:43 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
Also they drilled another 3 miles to reach the oil, and I would be surprised if all 3 miles was just muck.

Of course there's a casing which acts as a wall for the hole. The top kill idea is to work within the casing. Just piling stuff on top of the opening would presumably mangle the casing and create a much bigger mess.

My interpretation of the current video is that it's starting to work. On the left, you can see the backblow from pumping the "mud", on the right you can see the venting of the oil, which seems to be starting to diminish. I'm thinking that the "mud" started by forming a counterflow along one side of the casing, and began to descend. As it gets deeper it starts to pinch off the outflow. Let's hope.

67 posted on 05/28/2010 12:08:28 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: JimWayne

I apologize in advance for what is probably a totally stupid question, but here goes: Why not just use some C-4 type explosives to collapse (?!?) the whole sea bed area around the gusher, hun?!


68 posted on 05/28/2010 12:10:46 AM PDT by JulienBenda ("Don't you just LOVE the Emperor's new clothes?!")
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To: WOSG

Or why don’t they drill beside the former leaking well?


69 posted on 05/28/2010 12:38:10 AM PDT by Ulysse (s)
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To: Ulysse

It could lower the pressure of the leaking shaft and make it easier to plug the hole


70 posted on 05/28/2010 12:44:04 AM PDT by Ulysse (s)
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To: KTM rider
unfortunatly top kill wont work because of the geology. the sea bottom there is just muck. Any thing placed on top will just blow out somewere else.

Huh? How come oil isn't gushing out of holes all over the Gulf then?

71 posted on 05/28/2010 12:58:24 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: Sooth2222
You are a Photoshop rock star.

And we're not worthy...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

72 posted on 05/28/2010 1:19:06 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: raybbr
Huh? How come oil isn't gushing out of holes all over the Gulf then?

Because as everyone knows, (insert science here).


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

73 posted on 05/28/2010 1:20:23 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Batman11

“Is that an LPGA golfer?” No. More like an LGBT Golfer


74 posted on 05/28/2010 2:24:01 AM PDT by wally-balls
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To: JimWayne
Heysus Chris people! There are hundreds of oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico, and thousands around the World. There have been numerous oil spills around on the planet, and yet the Planet survives. So far, this isn't even the biggest one. The Planet heals itself. Am I the only one who has noticed this throughout the years?

With so many wells, especially in deep waters (bad move), it was destined to happen. So what? They will plug it eventually, clean up will progress, and some stupid birds and marsh amphibians will die. So What? They die every frigging day. More species are extinct today than have ever existed. So what? The World keeps turning and adapts.

Back to Mother Nature, Iceland's most nasty volcano, Katla, is looking like it is ready to erupt. The last time that volcano with off, it contributed to the Dark Ages in Europe. The planet and mankind will deal with the oil spill, we always do. However, mankind will powerless if and when Katla in Iceland blows up (will be fun to watch Telabama say how he will fix it).

The World will be covered in ash for possibly (2) years or more. Katla will drawrf St.Hellens and Mt. Pinatubo. It could possibly shut out the Sun light for a couple of years and and kill crops, not to mention shutting down air travel indefinitely. It will cause a world-wide economical mess that will take years and years to recover from.

Yet, we're so scared of the fallacy of global warming, while new reports are coming out that we may be heading into a natural new mini ice-age. If Katla goes off, that will be assured. The above is from the natural state of this globe in space and its direct correlation to the Sun and its cycles.

Oils spills are the least of Earth's problems. They've been going on forever. As a 1960's surfer, I clearly remember the tar on the sands of Hermosa and Manhattan Beaches in the SouthBay of Los Angeles. It's a natural condition of the geology and the Earth. Oil seeps up and forms tar on the beaches. A natural occurrence on this rock. So what?

However, if Katla blows, we are going to see devastation on a planetary scale that is incomprehensible. The flow of oil out of one broken drilling platform of the hundreds in the world that have not leaked will be inconsequintial. I kid you not.

Here's another pitiful human forecast for you: Since Katrina in 2005, the NOAA has been predicting even worst hurricanes every year after. They failed to appear. That's an irrefutable fact.

I personally believe the climate and weather scientists are full of shit. It was supposed to be in the mid-70's today where I live, but was mid-60's. Shesh, and these people profess to know what the climate is going to be 10-20-50 years out? A fifth grader knows better.

However, think broken clock...it could be a nasty year, but not because of their inexact science, but only because of the odds of what Planet Earth will do.

Still, our marxists in DC are going to shove "Cap and Tax" down our throats because they say the debate is over.

I swear, I'm getting ready to harshly march on DC. And I'm not talking about waving a sign anymore. I'm talking about civil disobedience. I tried to talk some TEA Party folks into chaining themselves together, and I would pay their bail and fines up to 20 people, but got sh*t for suggesting such. Now what do you say? Sorry, got off track.

75 posted on 05/28/2010 3:49:30 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever!)
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To: SueRae
While I was channel surfing last night, of all things I saw nuclear physicist Michio Kaoku on Keithie Olbermann's show.

Michio stated emphatically several times that this is all entirely new, that scientists have NO idea what will occur at such great depths, AND... something I've not heard elsewhere, that it is very possible that the massive leaking could continue for many years.

YEARS.

Yet... President Obama is already taking credit for having solved the issue???? When he didn't even appear to know that BP had suspended all Top-Kill operations 14 hours earlier????

Seems to me that there are people in the administration actively sabotaging him......

76 posted on 05/28/2010 4:11:07 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: Godzilla; A Navy Vet
>>> "Back to Mother Nature, Iceland's most nasty volcano, Katla, is looking like it is ready to erupt. The last time that volcano with off, it contributed to the Dark Ages in Europe. The planet and mankind will deal with the oil spill, we always do. However, mankind will powerless if and when Katla in Iceland blows up (will be fun to watch Telabama say how he will fix it).

The World will be covered in ash for possibly (2) years or more. Katla will drawrf St.Hellens and Mt. Pinatubo. It could possibly shut out the Sun light for a couple of years and and kill crops, not to mention shutting down air travel indefinitely. It will cause a world-wide economical mess that will take years and years to recover from.

Yet, we're so scared of the fallacy of global warming, while new reports are coming out that we may be heading into a natural new mini ice-age. If Katla goes off, that will be assured. The above is from the natural state of this globe in space and its direct correlation to the Sun and its cycles." <<<<<<

VERY interesting.

77 posted on 05/28/2010 4:16:24 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: JimWayne

Obama also has a BS in Chemical Engineering from M I T....just ax him.


78 posted on 05/28/2010 4:37:22 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: JimWayne

“Obama will scorch the earth rather than resign.”

That is of course presuming the convenient conversation ever took place, which I find highly doubtful ;-)


79 posted on 05/28/2010 4:39:59 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: hennie pennie

This is indeed an interesting thread. Bookmarking.


80 posted on 05/28/2010 4:51:46 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: JimWayne

NOTUS—I like that!


81 posted on 05/28/2010 4:56:19 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: JimWayne; P-Marlowe; wmfights; Travis McGee; Blueflag; Thunder 6; LTCJ; blue-duncan; ...

What worries me when I see the live feed is that BP is blowing mud and junk into that hole, but it seems to me that they should be blowing it DOWN the hole and overcoming the UP pressure of the oil.

Instead, I see a huge billowing cloud of brown blowing UP from the hole. Either they are not blowing it DOWN or the pressure inside is forcing it back UP.

That IS what my eyes are seeing. Someone tell me why I shouldn’t trust my lying eyes.


82 posted on 05/28/2010 5:33:08 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: JimWayne

Zero was emphatic yesterday that HIS Administration has been in charge from DAY ONE.

holding meetings, photo-ops, threats to the oil industry, and all the while the oil keeps on spewing.


83 posted on 05/28/2010 6:07:48 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: A Navy Vet
There are hundreds of oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico, and thousands around the World. There have been numerous oil spills around on the planet, and yet the Planet survives. So far, this isn't even the biggest one.

It isn't even close. The Ixtoc spill in 1980 dumped as much as 430 million gallons into the same Gulf of Mexico.

Saddam Hussein dumped 400 million gallons into the Persian Gulf in 1990. Seven years prior to that, another 130 million gallons were spilled in the Persian Gulf in the Nuwruz disaster.

Both Gulfs survived.

84 posted on 05/28/2010 6:09:46 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: xzins
That IS what my eyes are seeing. Someone tell me why I shouldn’t trust my lying eyes.

It ain't gettin better.

Has anyone even started drilling a release hole?

Where is Obama golfing today?

85 posted on 05/28/2010 6:10:22 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
.....rut row.....

.....looks like she just popped her cork.....

86 posted on 05/28/2010 6:11:36 AM PDT by cyberaxe (....Uuuummpphhhh.....)
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To: cyberaxe; xzins
That cannot be good.

I think the effort to plug this leak just came to an end.

87 posted on 05/28/2010 6:13:18 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: xzins
That IS what my eyes are seeing. Someone tell me why I shouldn’t trust my lying eyes.

At this point, I believe that BP is trying the kill shot, and the junk shot, but I can't help but wonder if they know it will not work and are just going through the motions, rather than just say "There's nothing to do but wait for the relief wells".
88 posted on 05/28/2010 6:13:19 AM PDT by ZX12R
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To: xzins

The immense pressure and flow rate they inject the mud causes it to go out the leaks AND down the hole. As long as the leaks are not plugged, they will flow during this injection.

Until enough heavy mud gets down the deep casing to overcome the field pressure and then they cement, the leaks will continue.


89 posted on 05/28/2010 6:14:25 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: cyberaxe

Something sure happened and it don’t look good.

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html


90 posted on 05/28/2010 6:15:31 AM PDT by sleddogs
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To: cyberaxe; xzins

It looks like the robots are withdrawing. That was definitely an explosion of some sort.


91 posted on 05/28/2010 6:16:38 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: A Navy Vet

By the way, there are tens of thousands of wells in the Gulf of Mexico and hundreds of thousands around the world.


92 posted on 05/28/2010 6:17:58 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Xenalyte

I have a ?. If there is all this oil spewing from the well, why is the ROV picture so clear?

They are supposedly monitoring the plume, bunch of white stuff and an occasional blob of oil why is it not sticking to the ROV lens?


93 posted on 05/28/2010 6:19:17 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: Sooth2222

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


94 posted on 05/28/2010 6:24:21 AM PDT by ScottinVA (RIP to the country I love...)
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To: P-Marlowe

I wasn’t watching. What did you see?


95 posted on 05/28/2010 6:24:58 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: All

Would all of the chicken little’s just chill out and quit listening to Mass Communciations graduates opine about the kill process. The casing of the well is compromised. They are pumping at different rates and pressures to determine the minimum amount necessary to overbalance the well. If they pump too hard, then the casing will rupture below the BOP’s and they will have an underground blowout. In that case, your only hope is the two replacement wells. With all of their optimism yesterday, I don’t think BP would continue saying it was going to work if they thought otherwise.


96 posted on 05/28/2010 6:25:27 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: P-Marlowe
Has anyone even started drilling a release hole?

I was wondering that myself. Would that not lessen some of the pressure?

97 posted on 05/28/2010 6:25:48 AM PDT by ScottinVA (RIP to the country I love...)
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To: P-Marlowe
It looks like the robots are withdrawing. That was definitely an explosion of some sort.

A rupture of the bent pipe cannot be a good event. If that is what happened.
98 posted on 05/28/2010 6:25:49 AM PDT by ZX12R
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To: P-Marlowe

Relief wells have been under way since May 2nd.


99 posted on 05/28/2010 6:25:54 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: sleddogs

Am I seeing wave action at 5,000 feet? Anyone know what just happened?


100 posted on 05/28/2010 6:26:59 AM PDT by jpsb (bump)
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