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Letter from Apple Regarding iPhone 4 [Apple's fix for the 'faulty' antenna]
Apple ^ | 2 July 2010 | Apple Press Release

Posted on 07/02/2010 7:03:12 AM PDT by Yo-Yo

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To: Swordmaker; driftdiver
A higher dB attenuation doesn’t necessarily mean a lower signal if you are starting with a higher signal strength in the first place.

driftdiver: "So the iPhone has a higher signal strength? Do you have anything showing its signal strength vs that of other devices?"

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Swordmaker, you might want to file this comment as a retort whenever driftdiver starts mouthing off. Yakking about a receiver's "signal strength"! Can one get more ignorant on technical issues?

41 posted on 07/03/2010 7:34:37 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA; Swordmaker

“Swordmaker, you might want to file this comment as a retort whenever driftdiver starts mouthing off. Yakking about a receiver’s “signal strength”! Can one get more ignorant on technical issues?”

Ahh so you mean AT&T has a higher signal strength than Verizon? HA! Yet another insult from a silly macbot.

Considering I earned my amateur radio license at 17 I’d wager I know more about signal strength than you do.

Pathetic, keep trying and you might one day grow up.


42 posted on 07/03/2010 7:45:50 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TXnMA

And by the way, the “transmitter” strength used by wireless companies is dictated by the FCC. what a pathetic macbot attack


43 posted on 07/03/2010 7:46:27 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Not a problem, they’re fixing it,...by making the bars much taller in the display,...now stop complaining about not having enough bars.


44 posted on 07/03/2010 8:00:47 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: driftdiver; TXnMA
“Swordmaker, you might want to file this comment as a retort whenever driftdiver starts mouthing off. Yakking about a receiver’s “signal strength”! Can one get more ignorant on technical issues?”

And by the way, the “transmitter” strength used by wireless companies is dictated by the FCC. what a pathetic macbot attack

Driftdiver do you have a comparison between the reception of different devices from the same source to the different receivers at the same location? If you don't, this discussion is meaningless.

By the way, I don't have a dog in this fight. I don't even own a cell phone, except for a couple of disposables that might be lying around. Where I live, there is no cell phone reception.

I am an electrical engineer and know a little bit about electrical signals.

45 posted on 07/03/2010 8:07:20 AM PDT by LeGrande (Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.)
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To: Swordmaker; driftdiver

Could this wrong formula that “stunned” them have been created and planted in the phones during update 2.0.2 as a “solution” to this problem ?

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/08/28/the-inside-deets-on-iphone-202-and-dropped-calls/

If so, you are looking at massive increases in dropped calls as this “fix” hits the streets.


46 posted on 07/03/2010 8:40:43 AM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: LeGrande

Then you should know cell phones have a tx and a rx. The post I was responding to was claiming iPhones have strong signals.


47 posted on 07/03/2010 9:13:48 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Then you should know cell phones have a tx and a rx. The post I was responding to was claiming iPhones have strong signals.

Where is your data? If you are claiming that Iphones don't have strong signals what is your evidence?

48 posted on 07/03/2010 9:29:12 AM PDT by LeGrande (Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.)
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To: driftdiver; Swordmaker; LeGrande
driftdiver: "So the iPhone has a higher signal strength? Do you have anything showing its signal strength vs that of other devices?"

In an attempt at CYA, you changed your dumb@$$ statement to:

"Ahh so you mean AT&T has a higher signal strength than Verizon?

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Before you try to "one-up" me, know this: I retired after a long, successful career in microelectronics R&D and engineering.

And, I got my Ham license in 1980 -- when even Techs had to r/s Morse @ 5 wpm -- and I designed and built a lot of my own gear.

So don't try to bull$#!+ me by switching from receiver (iPhone) to transmitters (AT&T & Verizon) to cover your dumb @$$.

49 posted on 07/03/2010 9:30:39 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA; driftdiver; Swordmaker

This isn’t rocket science guys. This is very simple measurements.

Where are the measurements so that we can make comparisons?

If there are no measurements, this entire discussion is just silly.


50 posted on 07/03/2010 9:40:33 AM PDT by LeGrande (Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.)
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To: LeGrande; TXnMA

“Where is your data? If you are claiming that Iphones don’t have strong signals what is your evidence?”

Hey IDIOTS, thats why I asked the question. The statement was made that iPhones have stronger signal strength. I asked for some kind of measurements. You liars try to turn it around once again attacking the messenger who threatens your precious little religion.

Cell phones have a receiver and a transmitter. The new iphone also has a external antenna which is affected by how you hold it. All the lies and twists of logic won’t turn that around.

Take you POS attitudes, personal attacks and hate and jump in a lake. Preferably one filled with run off from a pig farm.


51 posted on 07/03/2010 10:03:13 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TXnMA

“So don’t try to bull$#!+ me by switching from receiver (iPhone) to transmitters (AT&T & Verizon) to cover your dumb @$$. “

I bet you’re a good engineer if you think cell phones don’t have transmitters.


52 posted on 07/03/2010 10:04:06 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
The subject of the thread is the rx signal-strength indicators on iPhones -- and the software that drives those displays.

I bet you’re a good engineer if you think a cell phone's transmitter section has anything to do with its receiver's incoming signal strength indicator.

Keep on trying to CYA -- it's still hanging 'way out...

53 posted on 07/03/2010 10:16:38 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA

Never said it was, liar.


54 posted on 07/03/2010 10:18:57 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
"For the not-as-technically included (sic), dB attenuation is relative to a signal, not an absolute measurement. A higher dB attenuation doesn't necessarily mean a lower signal if you are starting with a higher signal strength in the first place."

For clarification purposes -- in the above, were you specifically addressing and discussing the output signal strength from the iPhone's transmitter section or the received input rf signal strength to the iPhone's receiver section?

55 posted on 07/03/2010 10:45:28 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: driftdiver; TXnMA
Hey IDIOTS, thats why I asked the question. The statement was made that iPhones have stronger signal strength. I asked for some kind of measurements. You liars try to turn it around once again attacking the messenger who threatens your precious little religion.

You are calling me an idiot and a liar? I have been the one asking for measurements not you. I don’t know if you are a smart man bluffing or an imbecile who means it. My money is on the latter.

Take you POS attitudes, personal attacks and hate and jump in a lake. Preferably one filled with run off from a pig farm.

Personal attacks? Why are you so angry? I have my guesses and none of them have anything to do with Apple.

56 posted on 07/03/2010 11:00:15 AM PDT by LeGrande (Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.)
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To: LeGrande

“I have been the one asking for measurements not you.”

Look back in the thread, you’ll see I asked for measurements. But your dishonesty will prevent you from admitting to that.

You’re right it doesn’t have anything to do with apple. They are just another company. It has to do with the dishonest and hateful attacks by the macbots who feel their religion is threatened.


57 posted on 07/03/2010 11:46:22 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: LeGrande; driftdiver
You are calling me an idiot and a liar? I have been the one asking for measurements not you. I don’t know if you are a smart man bluffing or an imbecile who means it. My money is on the latter....Personal attacks? Why are you so angry? I have my guesses and none of them have anything to do with Apple.

LeGrande, this is the attitude I've been putting up with from driftdiver. He will dance and weave, obfuscate, and insult you. No matter what you say, with him, you can carry no weight in a discussion because you chose an Apple product. Since you have so sinned against the orthodoxy, you are fair game for his pot shots.

58 posted on 07/03/2010 12:08:12 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

Thats funny Mr Propaganda Minister


59 posted on 07/03/2010 12:58:47 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Swordmaker
58 posted on Saturday, July 03, 2010 3:08:12 PM by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
60 posted on 07/03/2010 1:13:06 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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