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To: indylindy

McCain has said he does not support amnesty. It depends on what the meaning of amnesty is. Any legislation that legalizes the status of the illegal aliens and allows them to stay and work here is amnesty. Hence McCain and presumably Palin support amnesty. This Orwellian use of language to say that paying a fine, learning English, and getting to the back of the line on an earned path to citizenship is meant to fool and deceive. At least Reagan called it an amnesty.


4 posted on 07/11/2010 9:42:57 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Many here dissemble by believing talk instead of action. Hearing people say what you want to hear at election time is common practice for politicians.

Actually delivering on the rhetoric is quite another thing.

I understand the need conservatives have for a hero...but supporting the likes of McCain is an action, it isn’t talk.

Palin says all I want to hear. The woman is smart because she picked up on that a long time ago. If she ends up the nominee, I will vote for her because Obama is the worst you can get.

That isn’t passion, it is just no other alternative.

Kind of like a vote for McCain.


12 posted on 07/11/2010 9:53:31 AM PDT by dforest
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To: kabar
>>>>>At least Reagan called it an amnesty.

Reagan called it "legalization". The IRCA of 1986 was part of a three prong effort to toughen US border security, punish employers who hired illegals with up to a million fine and to grant a limited number of illegals with citizenship. Reagan's emphasis was on illegal alien employment. Reagan understood, you stop hiring illegals and you stop the vast majority of illegal immigration.

Too bad the Dem's led by Teddy Kennedy had other ideas. Instead of 300K being granted citizenship, 2.7 million were given amnesty.

24 posted on 07/11/2010 10:17:55 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: kabar

If you back to the 84 debate, Reagan actually explicitly said “I support the idea of an amnesty for those who have been here and put down roots”. He actually used the word amnesty. If he had been President today, it’d be interetsing to see the reaction.

Reagan did make a mistake there. However, there were only around 2M illegals back then so the numbers were far fewer. Also, immigration and border security was not really a major issue for Reagan. Domestically he focused on the economy, the military buildup, reducing govt, deregulation, etc... But his amnesty was one of his bigger blunders.


46 posted on 07/11/2010 11:19:29 AM PDT by jeltz25
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To: kabar
Right.

McCain: "I helped author with Senator Kennedy comprehensive immigration reform" not once but twice"..


50 posted on 07/11/2010 11:34:17 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife )(God Bless Sheriff Joe)
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To: kabar
Correct.

"Amnesty" to me means instant and complete forgiveness. That's not what most people are proposing. Most people, including Bush, wanted some hoops to jump before citizenship.

57 posted on 07/11/2010 12:15:19 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: kabar

You’re wrong. Look up the word “amnesty” in the dictionary.


93 posted on 07/12/2010 2:04:21 AM PDT by Sarabaracuda (McCain, Fiorina, Perry, Branstad, Haley 2010 = Sarah 2012)
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