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Palin and Newt, according to Fred Thompson and Rich Galen
Vanity | 07/24/2010 | Brices Crossroads

Posted on 07/24/2010 3:47:23 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads

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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Ok. She resigned. It's been established that a synonym for "resign" is "quit." So there's that.

So now you can tell me what your conservative credentials are, since you saw fit to call me out and claim I was a journo-lister.

Please list, specifically, what you've done PERSONALLY to advance the conservative cause.

I'll wait.

101 posted on 07/24/2010 5:32:12 PM PDT by Gurn (Remember Mountain Meadows.)
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To: Gurn

Yeah, you know, I think I remember reading somewhere that Alaska was really big. Like maybe even the biggest state.


A big state but about 70% or so owned and controlled by the Federal gov’t not the state gov’t.


102 posted on 07/24/2010 5:32:32 PM PDT by deport
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To: excopconservative

“the most articulate voice of conservatism today”...

I don’t think you read enough, sir.


103 posted on 07/24/2010 5:33:53 PM PDT by AZGunSlinger
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To: Gurn

I am only in my mid 20s. I supported and worked in the 2004 Bush-Cheney campaign locally, and then again for McCain-Palin in 2008.


104 posted on 07/24/2010 5:34:05 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: Mariner
I am tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils and I will write in Gen. Ben Raines if Newt is our nominee.
105 posted on 07/24/2010 5:34:45 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: AZGunSlinger

How can you not admire Sarah Palin ? all she has been through..


106 posted on 07/24/2010 5:36:48 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

That’s good to know. I figured you for 19. Wow. An impressive record. It certainly entitles you to pass judgment on people 2 decades your senior; call them out as “not conservative”; and accuse them of being part of Journolist; just because they have a different take on a candidate than you.


107 posted on 07/24/2010 5:37:02 PM PDT by Gurn (Remember Mountain Meadows.)
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To: excopconservative
We'll just have to disagree.

I was thrilled when McCain picked her, and I think the beat-down would have been worse otherwise. I just don't think she's the best we can do.

108 posted on 07/24/2010 5:39:32 PM PDT by Gurn (Remember Mountain Meadows.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Newt cheated on his first wife while she was dying of cancer..

Is she the one he went with in HS ... she was his teacher?

Did she die?

If Newt should get the nomination, how will the MSM spin it while ignoring John Edwards?

109 posted on 07/24/2010 5:39:48 PM PDT by lonestar (Barry is furious the big spill wasn't caused by EXXON...would have nationalized it by now.)
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To: MamaB
Newt will likely be the nominee if Palin chooses not to run. He's not a regional candidate, he has connections to the conservative movement from his days as the leader of the young turks in the House during the Reagan years, and he can raise the money. He will lay claim to be the real heir to the Reagan legacy and the press will gleefully help him to achieve that.

Craig Shirley, a charter member of the Reagan Revolution and the author of 2 outstanding books on Reagan's 1976 and 1980 campaigns, is currently writing an authorized biography of Gingrich. The timing is no accident. He's running and he would leave Mitt Romney, for instance, in his dust.

110 posted on 07/24/2010 5:41:30 PM PDT by Al B.
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

With all due respect, it takes more than some kind of hard luck or rough treatment to be qualified for the chief executive position. To the left, Obama’s “non-traditional” upbringing and his perserverence of his youth (what with being shunned by his father, then his mother, the communist advisors, brush with drugs, etc)...overcoming that to graduate from harvard, etc etc...they think that is a compelling story. When you look into the man’s qualifications, other than the narrative, you don’t have a lot. Narrative isn’t enough to lead.

Palin accepted the nomination for Veep, and took the predictable slings and arrows that followed that, I’ll give her that. But that’s not enough. Gurn has a point, and you need to separate how you feel about Sarah and her role as an outspoken conservative. Do you really think she is articulate? Do you really think she has a keen analytical mind and can dissect arguments and debate well? What I am saying, and what I think Gurn is saying is: no. She is not the best we can do as a candidate, and further, she is not the best we can do for a leader. Doesn’t mean we’re communists, just discerning about who we want to represent us.


111 posted on 07/24/2010 5:42:12 PM PDT by AZGunSlinger
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To: AZGunSlinger
"We need to get someone in there who can think on their feet, and beat back this tide of national mediocrity."


We also need to get someone with enough sense not to support something as destructive to our national sovereignty as the Law of the Sea Treaty. I like Sarah and hope that she has a prosperous media career, but there is absolutely no way I could support her as our leader.
112 posted on 07/24/2010 5:42:21 PM PDT by rob777
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To: Al B.

He WILL NOT get my vote. We can and must do better than a has been.


113 posted on 07/24/2010 5:44:06 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: AZGunSlinger

“the most articulate voice of conservatism today”...

I don’t think you read enough, sir.


I read quite a lot thank you. I will qualify my remarks to say that Thomas Sowell may be the best conservative writer for a college educated reader. Sarah Palin has an ability to encapsulate complex ideas into simple structures that are more accessible to a wider audience.


114 posted on 07/24/2010 5:45:29 PM PDT by excopconservative
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To: Gurn

I just know that anyone who thinks negative of Sarah Palin is not a person that I can trust or respect. She is a pretty good litmus test.

Those who don’t like her in MOST cases (not saying you are)are morally bankrupt freaks who watch the MSM.


115 posted on 07/24/2010 5:46:28 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: excopconservative

I’d go with Krauthammer.


116 posted on 07/24/2010 5:46:28 PM PDT by Gurn (Remember Mountain Meadows.)
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To: rob777

I think there are other examples too. We criticize the left for their “poll tested viewpoints”. I could see Sarah relying on such mechanisms when governing. A key differentiator of conservatism is that it is a value-based movement. You agree up front on a set of values and you apply that lens to every challenge. Contrast with the left where every situation needs to be individually analyzed and the answer more often than not is “it depends” - then you don’t really know what you’re going to get in the way of decisions. Ceding sovereignty, bridges to nowhere, quitting the job, etc...these are some questionable decisions. Gov Christie in New Jersey seems to have the “lens” right. He is applying those standards to everything he runs across and acting accordingly without having to spend a lot of time doing analysis. When you’re not in lock step with the values and can apply them to any situation in a hurry to make the right decision...you’re as dangerous as the left. I can’t support that.


117 posted on 07/24/2010 5:49:34 PM PDT by AZGunSlinger
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To: MamaB
I agree with you. Just laying it out there. He's the man to beat if Palin stays out of it.

There simply is no time for unknowns at this point to gain enough traction to be a serious candidate. This is not the Democrat Party where a Barack Obama can come out of nowhere.

It's Gingrich, Romney or Palin (if she runs) and maybe Haley Barbour, although I think he's too tied to the South. People need to take a stand. JMO.

118 posted on 07/24/2010 5:51:02 PM PDT by Al B.
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To: jla

Or how about Ballinamuck?

In 1978 it was just clear, the country was headed for disaster and it was obvious to anyone with a brain that Carter had to be removed.

Lowell Weicker was just another liberal who obviously would have done no better than Carter. I think Howard Baker was highly respected across ideological lines but he just never put together a good campaign (see Fred Thompson). That left George Bush, who at the time struck a lot of us as the second coming of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan who was, it was said, just too old. There were some other guys but I don’t remember them.

The point is, by now in the run up to 1980 I think most Conservatives felt that Reagan was going to be the guy - at least if you were sitting in California. Even though he in no way a perfect choice at the time. You just felt that he had the ideas to fix the country and the political experience to make it happen.

I feel none of that this time. The people we have range from too inexperienced to idea challenged to down right toxic.

The other thing to remember is that Dems then weren’t like Dems now. Factionalism was much less obvious then than it is now - and factionalism is the death of republics.


119 posted on 07/24/2010 5:51:12 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Anyone who has read Roman history knows a barbarian invasion when they see one.)
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To: excopconservative

Either that or her ideas are actually simple. Think about it. I don’t hear any complex ideas, and where she starts to make an argument scratching at the surface of complexity, I recognize it from someone else’s recent article, blog post, or interview on TV. Can’t we do better?

FRiend, I say this with all due respect. I don’t think Sarah is some kind of hidden mental giant.


120 posted on 07/24/2010 5:52:15 PM PDT by AZGunSlinger
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