Posted on 07/26/2010 1:11:24 PM PDT by Hawk720
Colorado Republican Senate candidate Ken Buck has once again talked himself into some trouble - this time by calling certain tea-party activists "dumbasses" for questioning the legitimacy of President Obama's birth certificate.
According to the Denver Post, Buck was caught on tape saying in June, "Will you tell those dumbasses at the Tea Party to stop asking questions about birth certificates while I'm on camera." He added, laughing: "God, what am I supposed to do?"
Buck was speaking to a Democratic operative who had secretly recorded the conversation.
Buck, who enjoys strong support from the Tea Party movement, has since somewhat walked back the remarks, though he focused on language, not content.
"I'm not suggesting the language was appropriate," Buck told the Post today. "But after 16 months of being on the campaign trail, I was tired and frustrated that I can't get that message through that we are going to go off a cliff if we don't start dealing with this debt."
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You got me on that one...but he didn’t back off of the remark...he backed off of the language, still negating your point about being two-faced.
Buck knows that birthers are not a rational crowd, and they're widely understood as being not rational. For Buck even to say something like that would make him a "birther" to the general public, and ruin whatever chance he may have had.
And, to be brutally frank, the issue doesn't matter much to the American public -- it really only matters much to a group of folks who will grasp at any straw to get rid of Obama.
And the After-Birther are a rational crowd?
For Buck even to say something like that would make him a "birther" to the general public, and ruin whatever chance he may have had.
Being a Birther" is not "as bad" as you think it is and 'ruining whattever chances' is total BS. You buy into the media BS spin.
And, to be brutally frank, the issue doesn't matter much to the American public --
To be totally frank at you, it means a lot to a significant percent of the voting public, and if the Joun-O-listic media were honest about the subject, things would be much different. Even so, most people question that Obama was even born in Hawaii according to the super liberal 60 Minutes/Vanity Fair poll.
it really only matters much to a group of folks who will grasp at any straw to get rid of Obama.
Straws? BS. They number into the millions. It is an issue that has merit and another issue that will bring Obama down. He's not going to get elected again.
As I said ... you folks are irrational. Beyond reason. Whackadoodles.
Read r9etb’s posting history.
He is usually on the freak side of every issue. Truth and facts are just inconveniences to be trashed.
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My posts back at you and on this thread have been rational.
Still going to vote for him over John McCain Jr. And as others have pointed out, going after Obama’s BC isn’t going to win any votes.
The Colorado Republican Party is at the melt-down stage.
Nah. I give up. You're right. He should say what he thinks, by all means.
It really helps tell who people shouldn't vote for if the candidate is candid.
As if we haven't had enough Democrats tell us TEA party 'birthers' (gratuitously noting that not all TEA party people are 'birthers') we're "dumbasses" without electing a Republican to do that?
He crapped in his messkit.
Part of what people are sick of is having some sanctimonious peckerhead tell them they are stupid, and that the all wise gubmint will handle it.
His contempt for his supporters will bite him in the end. Just because he displayed it in what he thought was private and discreet company doesn't mean he meant it any less, rather, that would be the time the candidate's true sentiments were voiced.
Blame whom you will, but he was the dumbass who said it.
LOL! As if your opinion on what constitutes the "freak side" of anything were meaningful....
With respect, Buck made his mistake by labeling all Tea Party Members as birthers/dumbasses???
While I agree that trying to get O’Bozo to show a birth certificate is a losing battle, and as conservatives we need to focus on issues we can win elections on, calling the tea party members dumbasses and birthers will not win him any friends.
I already specifically addressed this.
The fact of the matter is that it’s a waste of time to pass laws, if they’re never going to be enforced anyway. And this whole thing with Obama has happened because laws have not been enforced and the people who could have done something about it....... were too busy calling me and my fellow concerned Americans dumbasses for caring about the rule of law. The people who are real dumbasses are the ones who spend their time passing laws that will never be enforced anyway. Talk about a real waste of time!
That is a straw man argument, and a waste of time, BTW. The founders did not waste their time in writing the constitution. But it is clearly a waste of time and effort getting a candidate so wrapped around the axle about this issue that he lessens his chance of getting into office where he can do something about it.
Do you think the law was overlooked by accident? We need people in office that will uphold the law. Candidates must focus on the issues most important to the electorate. Obama’s birth certificate isn't one of them, and asking this guy about it over and over again isn't going to change that any more than posting about it over and aver.
The place to attack this issue is in each state by requiring proof to be on the ballot. If he is exposed, or is forced off of the ballot in some key states the job is done.
And if grandma had balls she would be grandpa. Please define "significant percent" for us by providing some links to what percentage of voters think this is a key campaign issue for candidates. Please note, it is not relevant how many people think the question should be answered. The key is, how many think it is more important than repealing the health care bill, or proper immigration policy, or reducing spending and taxes and getting out of this recession, or not passing cap and trade, or correct foreign policy, etc. etc. ad nauseium.
There are only so many hours in a day. The number of opportunities to impress the voters are limited. All of those people who think the birther issue is silly are poorly informed, but the case is just too complex to try and change minds on a campaign trail. Anyone who refuses to realize this reality IS a dumb-ass.
I think it would be a service to the voters of America if each candidate was required to get drunk and answer questions when their political inhibitions were gone and all they would give is their gut-level stance.
I had a post to you, tried 3 different times to post it but FR was apparently having problems.
Maybe that means I should keep it shorter. lol.
NJ and CT already had laws requiring eligibility to be verified. It made no difference. SCOTUS wouldn’t hear the suit. What makes us think anybody could have “standing” to file suit even if the process for verifying eligibility explicitly said the BC had to be presented?
Sure, we should try to close the loopholes, but until law ENFORCMENT actually means we the people can demand that the laws be followed, it won’t matter what laws are passed. We have to unbind the hands and feet of the people, so that we are once again respected because of the power we have to make the laws stick.
Obama’s strategy seems to be to grow so many branches that are so big, that we see each branch as so significant that we have to fight it. And we do. But the only way to get rid of that many huge branches is to cut out the roots.
Cut down the healthcare takeover and something even worse will sprout in its place. Undo the auto takeover and they’ll take over the entire transportation industry. Elect Brown to allow a filibuster and they’ll just use reconciliation. Etc. It’s like a Hydra: when you cut off one head, 3 grow back in its place. The only way to defeat it is at its heart, at its roots.
It may be more expedient to talk about the sexy subjects - the trees that people can see and fear. But it’s only temporarily effective. As long as we fear exposing the rotten roots, it WILL be toxic for a person to focus on the roots, but without addressing the roots, we can never accomplish anything lasting.
Whether we like it or not, at some point we have to pull out the corruption and lies by the roots so we get back to a condition where the people have the truth and real power that crooks and politicians have to fear. That is the whole foundation of our government with its separation of powers, checks and balances, and Constitutional rule - and how we are supposed to be protected from the very corruption we have right now.
We will have to do it against the media, because they are the stinking fertilizer that has fed this corrupt monster all along.
I’m tired of false labor. It’s time for the birth, not more uncomfortable piddling around that doesn’t get anything done.
I want people in power who recognize how America has come to this forsaken, lawless, unaccountable, tyrannical mess that it’s in and will boldly fight the real battle of our time.
I doubt whether somebody who fears being caught on tape answering questions about Obama’s birth certificate is up to that challenge. The battle is so, so much bigger than that, and if he can be felled by such a small swat I don’t hold out much hope. This is a time for boldness, truth, and uncompromising commitment to re-establishing the rule of law regardless of how the media howls against it.
We are in a fight for the very existence of this nation. We are in a nuclear battle; we can’t afford to bring a pea-shooter and run away when somebody asks us what kind of peas we intend to shoot.
I will grant you that it is complex, and I can see that point. But people who aren’t just drinking the media kool-aid can recognize there’s a scam going on, and they can recognize that the courts say it’s nobody’s business whether the laws are kept or not.
We see that openly in the case of Arizona. And we see it more opaquely on the other issues you mentioned. Those who thought we were crazy before the election when we said Obama is a Marxist whose only friends have been terrorist Marxist are not thinking that’s so crazy any more. They see.
Perhaps the easiest images for people to understand are the items you mentioned. And you won’t hear me criticizing anybody for addressing those issues. They do need to be addressed, and those issues resonate with people because they do see the lawlessness involved.
But I think that lawlessness is precisely what people are reacting to, and a politician is better off just calling a spade a spade. All the politician would have to do in response to questions about the BC is to say that the same lawlessness which allowed Obama to illegally assume the presidency allowed him to take over the auto industry, healthcare, etc.... and it all needs to be stopped so that laws and not men rule this land.
Who could argue with that (besides the brain-dead and traitors, I mean)?
Tell you what - you to go to all FR threads that are discussing high value campaign issues - health care, foreign policy, our troops and ROE issues in Afganistan, whatever - and you hijack each thread for the birther issue. Do that for a week and get back to me on how many times you were called a dumbass, and also why they are wrong.
Who could argue with that (besides the brain-dead and traitors, I mean)?
Many many many people who do not follow these issues as we do. No, they will not argue it, but they will be told what to think by a complicit media, just as so many were in 2008.
Like it or not, what you are suggesting plays into their hands. I can accept an average conservative joe not necessarily getting this (those people on the campaign trail) but we cannot afford to have GOP candidates that don't understand how to respond shrewdly.
I'm all for that--and I don't drink.
I just wish that could be done before the process got further along. Some of these people will 'biden' themselves, but the most devious and even diabolical will not--and likely have a shot at the office because they are better sneaks.
For all I know, Buck is a good man who screwed up. I'm a 'birther' in that I still have serious and unaddressed questions about the Natural Born Citizenship status of the current occupant of the Oval Office, and I'd still consider the guy, but he'd be digging in his pocket for funds, cause I won't pay anyone to call me a "dumbass".
Still, If he can't keep a civil tongue about that issue, no matter how exasperated it may make him, how well is he going to fare in a legislature, where buttons are pushed in debate and any weakness will be exploited.
It's the reason I never ran for office--at some point I'd turn around and give some nit a dressing down that'd make a Master Chief cringe. In today's environment, I'd have a short tenure before every whining special interest group out there was lined up on the step with primitive lighting devices and rudimentary farm implements.
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