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Hebrew U. archeologists find Patriarchs-era tablet
Jerusalem Post ^ | 27 July 2010 | Judy Siegel

Posted on 07/31/2010 6:26:07 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

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To: daniel1212

“... being free does not mean liberty without necessary limits ...”

The only possible limits on any individual’s freedom is the use of force by other individual’s. The only thing one must not be free to do, is to initiate force against another.

To illustrate what true freedom is, consider an individual where there are no other people. That individual is free to do whatever he chooses. His success or failure depends entirely on his choices. If he fails to produce what he needs, to learn all he can about his environment and what is and is not possible to him, and fails to make the effort to conform to the nature of that reality, he will suffer the consequences and probably die.

Is freedom the liberty to do anything one chooses without any limit whatsoever? Yes it is, but one can never evade the consequences of one’s choices.

That is why most men hate freedom. They know they are not competent to live their life successfully by their own ability and effort. So most choose, as you do, enslavement to some government that promises to make everything nice and safe, which no government can or ever has done. But, I wish you the best and hope your chains are light.

Hank


81 posted on 08/01/2010 3:22:59 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: grey_whiskers

:’) Thanks gw.


82 posted on 08/01/2010 4:12:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: null and void; daniel1212; Hank Kerchief
You are missing another possibility.

Besides having devastated Israel when she could Amalek, due to its depravity, could have been a garden of STDs. Every man, woman and child could be carrying the ancient equivalent of syphilis, AIDS, or any other fatal debilitating disease. I suspect there were some Zoonotic diseases in the mix, as God commanded that the livestock be destroyed as well.

Destroying the livestock after conquest is the rough equivalent of killing a man for his wealth and then burning all his money. A very odd thing to do.

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A reasonable possibility.

From the above, I guess that the both of you are supportive of euthanasia?

It's basically the same, if not exactly so.

Frankly, such constructions reek of egregious justification.

83 posted on 08/01/2010 5:27:10 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

I’m a believer in self-defense.

I believe in containing a disaster early and well, by the lease harmful means possible.

If you had a chance to sink a few plague-ridden ships or lose 1/3 the population of an entire continent what, pray tell, would you do?


84 posted on 08/01/2010 5:31:32 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 554 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void

Didn’t David and his ilk supposedly take away the animals of the Amalekites? What became of them?

Did they have any “zootonic” diseases?


85 posted on 08/01/2010 5:46:18 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett
Trying to change the subject.

I'll take that as a yes, to sooth your conscience rather than do the uncomfortable thing and kill a few dozen sailors and passengers, you would take the easy way out and do nothing and thereby doom tens of millions to die.

Interesting choice.

86 posted on 08/01/2010 6:04:41 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 554 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: James C. Bennett

1 Samuel 15:15
Saul answered, “The soldiers brought them from the Amalekites; they spared the best of the sheep and cattle to sacrifice to the LORD your God, but we totally destroyed the rest.”


87 posted on 08/01/2010 6:08:53 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 554 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void

No, what you presented was a false choice, which I chose to ignore.

Or else, one could justify rounding up the millions of HIV, avian flu suspects (when the disease was thought to be deadly), etc. and exterminating them. After all, who knows what the impact of allowing them to mingle freely would be, right?


88 posted on 08/01/2010 6:24:17 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

What was false?


89 posted on 08/01/2010 6:26:44 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 554 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void

So let me get this right: the soldiers basically physically killed the supposedly “diseased” people - including the children and infants, then went on to round up the animals - both “diseased” and “healthy” - together, and separated them much later, to select the “healthy” ones for sacrifice.

Through all these sequences of events, transmission of those supposedly “deadly” diseases was prevented through what Stone Age HAZMAT procedures, exactly? Also, any word on whether the sacrificed animals were eventually consumed?


90 posted on 08/01/2010 6:31:09 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: null and void

False because if you agree ships carrying the diseased should be destroyed rather than implement an ethical quarantine mechanism, then what stops you from seeing the rounding up of HIV / Avian flu / etc. sufferers from being given the same fate?


91 posted on 08/01/2010 6:33:00 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

HAZMAT? All that’s necessary to avoid STDs is DON’T HUMP THE GOATS! (And don’t have sex with an infected person, and don’t be born of an infected mother).

Oh, and by the way, in stark contrast to San Francisco’s utter inability to close down the bath houses, some countries did lock up their early on AIDS patients.

For me it’s somewhat personal. I lost two friends to “the gay plague” after the risk factors had been identified, but before anyone knew what was causing it. Perhaps isolating the infected would have saved them, perhaps not.

So tell me, would you have locked up Mary Mallon or not?

I do appreciate you running with my STD speculation as if it were Biblical fact. That gives me some feel that the theory is at least plausible.


92 posted on 08/01/2010 6:42:45 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 554 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Ah. True, it is much easier to quarantine a ship than a town with scores of roads and paths in and out, and the necessity of importing food and disposing of wastes.

True, it could possibly be done.

Now explain all that to a people who have no concept of the germ theory of disease, and practically no appreciation of even the most rudimentary concepts of hygiene. Or even soap. Expect ALL of them to get it, and expect none of them to fail to rigorously enforce the quarantine for the the decades it would take to burn itself out.

Put this pus filled festering sore in the heart of your people’s lands.

Good luck with that.


93 posted on 08/01/2010 6:53:04 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 554 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void

Keeping animals together won’t stop animal-to-animal transmissions, so your theory still fails.

Ships being quarantined in an ethical manner is not a wrong choice. It would be the right thing to do. But destroying the people within is wrong.

Food and supplies can be transported by various means, thus preserving isolation.


94 posted on 08/01/2010 6:53:21 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: null and void

Not to mention the comedic aspect of the whole scriptural contraption where the diseases are said to be the divine entity’s manifested vengeance, and yet the said divine entity has no control over its own act, that it requires inhumane participation of its followers, to control.


95 posted on 08/01/2010 7:06:02 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett
If you kill all the animals how does that fail? Even if they were mingled with the Israeli "pure" animals, animals are not people, animals don't 'do it' all year round at the drop of a hat. No sex, no transmission of sexually transmitted disease.

Ships being quarantined in an ethical manner is not a wrong choice.

Never said it was. It works really well against fast acting diseases, against years long chronic infectious diseases, not so much.

Sometimes a blunt instrument is the only one available.

Food and supplies can be transported by various means, thus preserving isolation.

I think air drops were reserved for the Jews.

96 posted on 08/01/2010 7:17:31 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 554 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Free will’s a bitch ain’t it?


97 posted on 08/01/2010 7:19:30 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 554 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void

Free will is good, but the ‘bitch’ is something else, altogether.

Justifications like the ones made earlier is the exact reason why we have the Moon Mission deniers and other conspiracy nuts, to this day.


98 posted on 08/01/2010 7:25:09 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: null and void

Sheep and many domestic animals can breed all year round.

That said, diseases don’t occur in the same stages, together.

Incubation periods vary, and there is no way of telling whether a particular animal is infected, especially by primitive peoples, if the disease still hasn’t manifested itself in ways that can allow it to be recognised, physically.

It is for the same reason that today, in spite of all the technology and testing procedures, farm animals are culled to totality when deadly diseases are suspected.

Again, your theory fails.


99 posted on 08/01/2010 7:28:44 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett
Ummmm. I think you just proved my point. The animals and people were culled.

I never said the Amalekites' animals were co-mingled with the Jews' animals, nor is there (to the best of my knowledge) any Biblical indication that they were.

That, sir, is purely your straw-man.

100 posted on 08/01/2010 7:41:26 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 554 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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