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To: taxcontrol

Will God change the circumstance that is or will destroy Rifqa or will God change her and those that lover her so the circumstance doesn’t overwhelm her and her those that love her?

 

I am cutting and pasting this from another website as it would take the rest of the day to compose a compelling argument that I find faith healers offensive.

 

I find them offensive for the very reason that “IF” and that is a big “IF” they were truly ordained by God to perform the miracle of healing, they would never fail in their efforts.  But they do.

 

Show me that man who has never failed in healing or proclaiming as much only to find that perfection from God never existed.

 

Jesus and the Apostles never failed in their miracles and they were specific and whole in their works.

 

If you tell me the man who layed hands on Rifqa healed wholly and has healed everyone else he ever touched, then I should meet him and study him.

 

Since I have never heard of him, then surely God and Medical Science do not agree on his ordination to perfectly perform acts of healing.

 

 

From the following website:  http://www.gospelway.com/god/miracles_duration.php

 

 

The Bible warns about false prophets:

Matthew 7:15; 2 Corinthians 11:13-15; 2 Peter 2:1; 1 John 4:1; etc.

The teachings of true inspired men always agreed with Scripture, and their predictions of the future always came true.

False prophets could be distinguished from true prophets, because teachings of false prophets did not always harmonize with scriptures and their predictions did not always come true (Deut. 18:20-22; Galatians 1:6-9; 2 John 9-11).

When the revelations of modern "prophets" are examined, invariably they eventually contradict the Bible and/or their predictions fail.

We earlier cited many examples of this. To demonstrate this to be true in any specific case, simply study their "revelations" according to these principles. Hence, they must be false prophets, not true ones.

Modern "miracles" have the characteristics of false miracles, not true miracles.

The Bible warns about false miracles:

Acts 8:9-13; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12; Matthew 24:24; etc.

As previously studied, every true miracle always had all the following characteristics:

* There was conclusive evidence that the event really occurred.

* The event occurred instantaneously (or in exactly the limited time period God specified).

* There were never any failures when miracles were attempted (by Jesus or by His apostles after they received Holy Spirit baptism).

* The results always completely and perfectly accomplished the intended purpose.

* So the event was clearly impossible by natural law.

Men who had truly miraculous powers could be distinguished from those who worked false miracles by comparing the characteristics of the works performed.

To prove they were really from God, men with truly miraculous powers were willing to work miracles even in the presence of false teachers, and all their miracles always had all the characteristics of true miracles. False miracle workers were known by the fact their works lacked the characteristics of true miracles. Acts 8:5-13; 13:6-12; 19:11-17; 1 Kings 18:20-40; Ex. chaps 7-12 (esp. 8:17-19); see other examples previously listed.

On close examination, the works of all modern "miracle-workers" are found to lack some or all of the characteristics of true miracles.

We earlier gave examples of this. Again, to demonstrate it in any particular case, simply compare the events people claim are "miracles" to the Bible characteristics.

In practice people will usually refuse to work miracles in the presence of those who don't believe they can do them or those they claim are "false teachers." They rely instead on "testimonies" of those they have "healed." But this simply proves they are false, for men with true miracle power did not so refuse.

We continually hear people who claim they can do or have received miracles today. If these gifts exist today, there should be many examples that have the characteristics of true Bible miracles. But all we ever find are the frauds. So we must conclude that the gifts have ceased, and all those who claim to possess the gifts are false.

 


32 posted on 08/03/2010 12:18:05 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome
I have a simple question for you. Did Jesus, Apostles and the early church heal by faith?

If you deny miracles or if you deny that the scriptures accurately recorded the healing by faith, then there is really no discussion here.

If you maintain that the scriptures are accurate, and if you believe that God does not ordain faith healing, you are maintaining a position of cognitive dissonance.

Further, your assertion that ... that “IF” and that is a big “IF” they were truly ordained by God to perform the miracle of healing, they would never fail in their efforts. is a false strawman. The faith necessary for the healing did not come from Jesus or the Apostles, it came from the person needing to be healed. (See Mark 5)

24 A large crowd followed and pressed around him. 25And a woman was there who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years. 26She had suffered a great deal under the care of many doctors and had spent all she had, yet instead of getting better she grew worse. 27When she heard about Jesus, she came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak, 28because she thought, "If I just touch his clothes, I will be healed." 29Immediately her bleeding stopped and she felt in her body that she was freed from her suffering.

30At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, "Who touched my clothes?"

31"You see the people crowding against you," his disciples answered, "and yet you can ask, 'Who touched me?' "

32But Jesus kept looking around to see who had done it. 33Then the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came and fell at his feet and, trembling with fear, told him the whole truth. 34He said to her, "Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering."

Lets look at verse 34 ..."YOUR faith has healed you."

Therefor it is quite possible for someone to deny in their heart that they would receive healing and thus prevent the blessing. Despite how hard the elder or healer prays it will be of no avail because the receiver of the blessing denies the blessing through their lack of faith. Even modern medicine proves out the power of faith and belief through documentation of the placebo effect.

41 posted on 08/03/2010 12:57:59 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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