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Judge has spoken - whether you like it or not
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 8/5/10 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 08/05/2010 8:05:44 AM PDT by SmithL

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To: msrngtp2002
I am neither supporting nor condoning gay marriage, but given that this court has “ruled” then by definition, “same sex partners” should no longer be able to share benefits such as health insurance, access to hospitals, etc unless said benefit sharing are equally accessible to different sex partners. They will have to get married to participate in the benefits of their partner.

It's never been about them getting married, it's about getting the State to sanction their behavior as being on equal terms as heterosexuality.

I do see your point, but gays want to have their you-know-what and eat it too.

61 posted on 08/05/2010 8:54:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Commander X
The judge is a homo, what did you expect?

In the report I heard ABC News neglected to mention the judge was a open homosexual.

They did find time to mention he was Reagan appointed, though.

62 posted on 08/05/2010 8:54:55 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: All

what is with all the pro-homosexual trolls reappearing?


63 posted on 08/05/2010 8:55:03 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: dfwgator

In the eyes of this administration; only two things are criminal anymore: being a Christian or a Republican.


64 posted on 08/05/2010 8:55:06 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Sloth

So then maybe you should push for a anti-children amendment to the Constitution that prohibits people to have representation to make laws that benefit children.


65 posted on 08/05/2010 8:55:43 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Ancient Drive
WHETHER YOU LIKE OR NOT!

Consent of the governed ? Or, not.

66 posted on 08/05/2010 8:56:05 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: Sloth

The promotion of a marriage between a man and woman though does help protect children.


67 posted on 08/05/2010 8:58:19 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Marylander
Why does the government have anything whatever to do with marriage? why not just let it be a private or church-related contract?

Because someone has to protect the unalienable rights of children, and if this is not done by the two people who produced it, then it becomes the responsibility of the tax payer. Since making children the responsibility of the tax payers deprives those tax payers of the unalienable right to own property, civil marriage was created to jointly FORCE those two (exactly one male and one female) who created the child to care for it.

A child has a right to have a mother and a father.

68 posted on 08/05/2010 8:58:22 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Marylander
Why does the government have anything whatever to do with marriage? why not just let it be a private or church-related contract?

Because someone has to protect the unalienable rights of children, and if this is not done by the two people who produced it, then it becomes the responsibility of the tax payer. Since making children the responsibility of the tax payers deprives those tax payers of the unalienable right to own property, civil marriage was created to jointly FORCE those two (exactly one male and one female) who created the child to care for it.

A child has a right to have a mother and a father.

69 posted on 08/05/2010 8:58:31 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Marylander
The State governments have "anything whatever to do with marriage" because the ELECTED representatives of each state thought that it was a good thing to PASS A LAW giving legal recognition, and the benefits and obligations that go with it, to the joining of one man and one woman, whether in a religious or civil ceremony. This could easily be changed if the people of the state decided to elect representatives that would then simply undo these laws. (Start organizing and politicking if that sounds good to you).

Unfortunately, our alternative life style friends, who are always whining about "equal treatment", don't want to go this equal (legally correct) route. In most cases, they want ONE judge to overrule the laws made by representatives directly elected by the citizens, or, in even worse cases like California, overrule a direct referendum of millions of citizens.

70 posted on 08/05/2010 8:58:49 AM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: longtermmemmory
what is with all the pro-homosexual trolls reappearing?

Libertarian freepers coming out of the closet.

71 posted on 08/05/2010 8:59:59 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Ransomed; TheBigIf
“And please explain how marriage laws expands the power of the state?"

Ransomed actually answered this better than I did -- this very event, the judge's ruling, is an obvious answer to your question. If the state didn't have its evil tendrils in marriage in the first place, then these lawsuits could not exist. Because the government DOES regulate marriage, it gives the homos all the legal excuse they need to seek government endorsement of their insanity.

72 posted on 08/05/2010 9:00:19 AM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: Sloth
Because the government DOES regulate marriage, it gives the homos all the legal excuse they need to seek government endorsement of their insanity.

Huh. Too bad the Founding Fathers didn't have your wisdom.

/s

73 posted on 08/05/2010 9:02:13 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Sloth; Ransomed

The state is founded on the Natural Law, as clearly laid out in the Declaration and by our Founders. The Constitution’s—and really every government’s—purpose is to preserve and defend the Natural Law—which is based on the authority of God and how He made us. I don’t give a hoot whether some people think that’s too theological a tack. That’s the Law. That’s the way this nation was set up.

Marriage MUST and SHOULD be protected by the government because it is a fundamental right of humankind and a part of the Natural Law. If government cannot protect and defend the *natural* right for two people to marry, it has no business existing. Note I did not say government creates or defines marriage. Government grants no rights. It only protects rights that have already been given “by Nature and Nature’s God.”

This is why gay “marriage” is so heinous. It is a right that people have invented, not that they have inherited, and as such has absolutely no binding authority whatsoever.

By saying government has no business in marriage, you are, in my opinion, already admitting a key tenet of progressive liberalism—which is to deny the fact that our Constitution is based on the Natural Law. Once you do that, as this judge seems to have done, the state no longer becomes a guardian of inherited liberties but a dispenser of invented ones. And that is tyranny.


74 posted on 08/05/2010 9:02:29 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Sloth

You are trying to blame a horribly un-Constitutional decision of a judge on good and Constitutional law created before it? That don’t fly.


75 posted on 08/05/2010 9:03:42 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf
The promotion of a marriage between a man and woman though does help protect children.

Being brought up in a religious faith is good for children. Should we have laws requiring/subsidizing church attendance? If so, which churches qualify? Being brought up by financially responsible parents is good for children. Should parents have to submit their household budgets to a state agency for approval? Your reasoning (if you can call it that) leads to slavery.

76 posted on 08/05/2010 9:04:04 AM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: Claud
Note I did not say government creates or defines marriage. Government grants no rights. It only protects rights that have already been given “by Nature and Nature’s God.”

Then where does the state get the authority to grant or deny a "license" to do something that God already granted a right to do? God granted us a natural right to worship him, too. Should we pay a fee and get a "license" for that?

77 posted on 08/05/2010 9:08:18 AM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: Sloth

Trying to use extremes as some sort of way to throw out all law that can promote the benefit of children is faulty logic. A mother and father are considered central elements to the benefit of children and is not at all extreme as you want to paint it as being.


78 posted on 08/05/2010 9:09:43 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf
You are trying to blame a horribly un-Constitutional decision of a judge on good and Constitutional law created before it? That don’t fly.

It's the nature of government. If you grant it power to do something you want now, that power will later be abused to do evil.

79 posted on 08/05/2010 9:10:21 AM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: edcoil

And in the state of CA no judge who is a member of the Boy Scouts of America can sit on a case involving homosexuals or the homosexual agenda. Nope.

Yet a disgusting sexual pervert can sit on such a case.

I don’t see any easy cure for this.


80 posted on 08/05/2010 9:11:35 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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