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Video of the Largest Wolf Pack Ever Found in Oregon
Funny, Weird, & Educational Pictures or Videos ^ | 8/6/10 | Chuck Wolk

Posted on 08/06/2010 7:01:50 PM PDT by Korah

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To: Korah

The Irony of this is that the first organization of a government structures by Americans in Oregon were the wolf meetings. These were held to organize people to hunt wolves that were destroying livestock. http://www.ohs.org/education/oregonhistory/historical_records/dspDocument.cfm?doc_ID=40889788-92F9-C578-96471494DA12A34C


51 posted on 08/06/2010 8:08:13 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: Mariner; Jack Hydrazine; All
Jack Hydrazine asks mariner;

You didn’t answer my question. Do you want to add more predators to the wild that will result in the deaths of more human beings than what is already occurring?

Mariner answers back

YES!

I don't care when you signed up to become a member of FR, you are a liberal scum bag!
52 posted on 08/06/2010 8:08:57 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: Mariner
Wolves don't attack people and as far as I know there's not a documented attack on humans by wolves in over 100 years.

Actually, there have been documented attacks within the past few years. At this URL at Misconception 10 there are several incidents that have occurred within the past few years that discuss wolf attacks on humans.


53 posted on 08/06/2010 8:10:07 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Mariner
You like wolves, well look at this dirt bag, Yes I am a former marine also, and a hunter. This was done in one small little hunting area, they didn't even eat them. They left them to rot. Some of them had to be shot to be put out of their misery because they were still alive when the hunter found them. By your friggin beloved wolves.

You make me puke!

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54 posted on 08/06/2010 8:16:09 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: Tom Hawks
And you sir don't know what you are talking about.

When the facts are not on your side, you resort to personal attacks...just like the "liberals" you supposedly dislike.

Do you believe wildlife conservation is exclusively a liberal position?

I am no "liberal" in the modern sense and my 100's of posts on the forum prove it.

You though are acting irrational, not unlike most liberals I have met.

55 posted on 08/06/2010 8:18:59 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Mariner

Then you sound like a Leftist! That’s great because Leftists love death. They worship it. They do everything they can to make life as painful and insufferable as possible with death and destruction as the highlight. You should be proud to count yourself among the many on the Left who are working hard every day to bring this to America and to keep Third World countries dwelling in it.

This country needs more criminals, thugs, Muslim terrorists, and those wild and furry wolves to bring more death to Americans. The Left can’t import them or release them from our prisons fast enough to do the job most on the Left are unwilling to do. Thank God for the Left who are making it more and more possible for their desire to bring death, destruction, chaos, suffering, burning, torture, and pain to millions not just to America but across the whole globe.

Were the deaths of 200 million during the 20th century at the hands of the Left enough to satisfy their blood lust? Absolutely not. That was just the beginning!


56 posted on 08/06/2010 8:19:26 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Korah

If it’s illegal to protect your expensive property, and you’re not going to be compensated for predation, then you’re left with few options.

Gut shoot them so the bullet will pass through and leave nothing for the fed scum to trace and keep your mouth shut.

Instead of Shoot, Shovel & Shut-up it’s Shoot, Soft tissue, Shut-up.


57 posted on 08/06/2010 8:20:37 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: Tom Hawks
"Dirt bag - Scum bag"

How does this support your position?

It's well known that wolves kill livestock. They kill lots of livestock.

58 posted on 08/06/2010 8:21:12 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
So now I'm a leftist who lives death?

Dude, take a pill or something.

Otherwise you may present yourself as an idiot.

59 posted on 08/06/2010 8:23:11 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
Instead of Shoot, Shovel & Shut-up it’s Shoot, Soft tissue, Shut-up.

Then deliver the carcass to the nearest Korean restaurant.

60 posted on 08/06/2010 8:23:25 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Korah

WOW! That’s enormous ! ! !


61 posted on 08/06/2010 8:23:56 PM PDT by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: Korah; Mariner

Um, I believe you owe Mariner and us an apology for your personal attack.

Grow up.


62 posted on 08/06/2010 8:24:51 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; Jim Robinson
From Jack Hydrazine, member since Jan 2010.

Obvious newbie and interloper.

You belong on the Democratic Underground, not on this forum.

63 posted on 08/06/2010 8:27:21 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Tom Hawks

Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Wolves, cougars, bears, coyotes, bulls, etc. certainly can and will kill. Stud horses will kill. Domestic dogs kill. Fish can kill.

Whitetail deer kill more Americans than anything else, way beyond rattlesnakes.

I love nature but I realize its raw power, as do you.


64 posted on 08/06/2010 8:27:49 PM PDT by One Name
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To: Korah; All

When you have rabid coyotes attacking people in and around Atlanta, I’d say the Bureau of Land Mgt, or whichever alphabet agency, aint doing it’s job correctly.

tD


65 posted on 08/06/2010 8:29:25 PM PDT by ebiskit (South Park Republican ( I see Red People ))
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

One of the more sensible posts I’ve seen on this thread so far. I use hand loads with Barnes Varmint Grenades (5.56) for coyotes, but an FMJ would work on a wolf. Small hole in, small hole out, and good luck finding the bullet.


66 posted on 08/06/2010 8:29:36 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: Mariner; All
Let me get this strait. First you are asked by Jack Hydrazine in comment #43
You didn’t answer my question. Do you want to add more predators to the wild that will result in the deaths of more human beings than what is already occurring?

Then you answer in comment #47
Yes.


To which I say that regardless of when you joined FR, you are a liberal scumbag.
To which you then reply in comment #55
I am no "liberal" in the modern sense and my 100's of posts on the forum prove it.
Which I can only conclude that you are a flaming leftist who infiltrated FR years ago and just now have ]been found out. I say so because the classic argument for liberals is I am not a liberal in the modern sense. That is the exact thing my liberal professor told me in College in the early "80"s when he was bashing Ronald Reagen.
67 posted on 08/06/2010 8:33:52 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: Mariner

Yeah right. I’m not at all for wolf re-introduction. There is as very good reason why those who settled American killed them off to the point of extinction. Americans are going to have to learn this lesson all over again the hard way. How many American lives will have to be lost in order to learn that lesson is any one’s guess.


68 posted on 08/06/2010 8:34:52 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Mariner

You said you wanted to see more Americans die at the hand of wolves; not me.


69 posted on 08/06/2010 8:35:50 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Mariner
Wolves don't attack people and as far as I know there's not a documented attack on humans by wolves in over 100 years.

It has been pointed out that your statement is incorrect.

That being said, as long as people and wild animals co-exist, there will be attacks.

So, although it's sad that the woman was killed, I do not advocate either mass slaughter of wolf packs, nor do I advocate a woman jogging alone along a deserted road without protection.

My opinion is, if you're in the woods, carry a side arm.

70 posted on 08/06/2010 8:37:38 PM PDT by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: Korah

IMHO...this is all about driving individuals out of the outback into cities where their conduct is more readily monitored...../taking off tinfoil....


71 posted on 08/06/2010 8:39:59 PM PDT by mo
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To: MarkeyD; JoeProBono

72 posted on 08/06/2010 8:41:14 PM PDT by WSGilcrest (I'm just sayin'...)
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Jim;

Just because he called foul first, and pinged you. We defend ourselves.

Jack Hydrazine, let us do this tit for tat shall we. It started with Mariner.


Jack Hydrazine asked in comment #43
You didn’t answer my question. Do you want to add more predators to the wild that will result in the deaths of more human beings than what is already occurring?

Then you answer in comment #47
Yes.


To which I say that regardless of when you joined FR, you are a liberal scumbag.
To which you then reply in comment #55
I am no "liberal" in the modern sense and my 100's of posts on the forum prove it.
Which I can only conclude that you are a flaming leftist who infiltrated FR years ago and just now have ]been found out. I say so because the classic argument for liberals is I am not a liberal in the modern sense. That is the exact thing my liberal professor told me in College in the early "80"s when he was bashing Ronald Reagen. all we?


73 posted on 08/06/2010 8:42:57 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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Jim, would you zap this guy too?

He and Jack Hydrazine are attacking people on a personal level and deliberately campaigning to make FR look bad.

74 posted on 08/06/2010 8:44:33 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Mariner

Show me where I attacked you? I defended and insulted like you.

Like all marines do.

However, I have not done nothing but fight fire with fire.


75 posted on 08/06/2010 8:45:59 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: Mariner; Jim Robinson

Show me where I attacked you? I defended and insulted like you.

Like all marines do.

However, I have not done nothing but fight fire with fire.


76 posted on 08/06/2010 8:47:10 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: JoeProBono

So there are tame specimens! I assume quite rarely. My neighbor in Alaska had an 89% wolf hybrid. She looked like a wolf and sang like a wolf. The first time I met her she put her head down and stared at me, with her front legs slightly apart. Wolf! My friend was a wildlife expert and knew how to set up ‘Velma’s’ habitat, how to feed her and how to handle her. My friend established herself as the alpha. I ended up loving that animal. Very intelligent and sociable, sense of humor. Still a wolf; better not let your guard down.


77 posted on 08/06/2010 8:50:15 PM PDT by ArmyTeach ( When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. (TJ))
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
Instead of Shoot, Shovel & Shut-up it’s Shoot, Soft tissue, Shut-up.

Agreed!
78 posted on 08/06/2010 8:54:29 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: Tom Hawks
"Show me where I attacked you? I defended and insulted like you."

I did not attack you or insult you.

79 posted on 08/06/2010 8:54:54 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Korah
Man, I had a wolf and she was half the size of that one in the photo, and she killed everything.

Can't imagine what that monster would do.

Kill 'em off. Let the coyotes take over. And if they get too brazen, kill them off, too.

80 posted on 08/06/2010 9:05:50 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Mariner; Jack Hydrazine; _Jim
By telling me I am wrong when the facts are on my side you are attacking me.

Why do you not go to the article and read it sand look at they evidence they point out?

You never even answered what you think about the devastation of wildlife I gave you as evidence in photos in comment #54.

I realize I have been here a lot shorter time than you, but do not try to scare me away by calling on the teacher. I will defend myself. For some reason I think that in this wolf debate Jim will side with the anti-wolf crowd.

Would you like to ask him? After all, you are the first one to alert Jim to this debate, not me or Jack Hydrazine.
br />We can have a debate or we can call the teacher to separate us...

Your call! But you need to look at the evidence I present. Otherwise you come off like a bleeding heart animal rights wacko with no defense for your stance.

I am not afraid because I have nothing to hide. I know I am right.

DO YOU?
81 posted on 08/06/2010 9:09:57 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: All

Some of us value the beauty of these animals and we don’t want them wiped out by our government or by angry ranchers. And before anyone wants to jump all over me for being a liberal, or a member of PETA, etc., you should know that I won’t even type a reply to the unfounded accusations.

I also think that some of you on this thread are breaking FR rules of decency. You feed the foaming liberals by displaying nastiness in threads like this one, by coming across as asinine and loony gunholders. Grow up or zip it because your freakish posts reflect poorly on FR as a whole.


82 posted on 08/06/2010 9:16:37 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Korah
Six injured in rare wolf attack (pictures of some of the victims at link)

Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, Canada - A lone wolf that attacked six people, including several young children, in a provincial park over the long weekend has tested negative for rabies, the Algoma Health Unit said yesterday.

The wolf, which has been blamed for several separate attacks Monday at the popular Katherine's Cove beach on Lake Superior was shot by park staff.


83 posted on 08/06/2010 9:17:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: Mariner
I merely pointed out that you're wrong about there not being any documented attacks on humans. You're free to draw any conclusion you wish.

Instead of romanticizing about wolves I think human/wolf relationships are healthiest when both humans and wolves are a little scared of each other.

I've had wolves respond to me howling in Michigan's Upper Peninsula where I've also seen several in the wild.

I also observed and photographed a pack of wolves hunting a cow elk in Yellowstone and let me tell you I would not want these fellows in my back yard. The Michigan wolves were afraid of humans; the Yellowstone wolves clearly were not.

Limited and controlled hunting of wolves will insure that both humans and wolves maintain a healthy respect for one another. It is ridiculous to suggest that I advocate “killing them all.”

84 posted on 08/06/2010 9:19:19 PM PDT by 5by5
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To: 5by5; Mariner
. It is ridiculous to suggest that I advocate “killing them all.”

I am an ex marine who saw first hand in my life what wild animals not afraid of humans can do.

This wolf is not like the wolves you have in Michigan, they are biog, and angry. They are not afraid, and the left knows it.

I want every wolf that is of the same species as the Canadian gray that was introduced into the lower 48 killed.

Yes, you heard me right. I want then exterminated. I do not want to live in Northern Canada or Alaska. I fear for my children'[s children. Especially since they now want these same killers brought into almost ever state in the union.

Trust me when I tell you, you do NOT want to come across these machines in the woods. If the left gets their way, you may not, but someday your grandchild will.
br />If you like them so much, then move to Alaska.
85 posted on 08/06/2010 9:29:16 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: Mariner
"Should we kill all of them too?"

Well, I'll be hunting in Alaska in Sept, and damned sure hope to whack a brown bear. I already have my tags...they are for one brown/grizzly, one black bear and one wolf.

When I'm done there, I'd be happy to come and whack any hanging around your yard.

'Cuz I doubt you are up for it yourself.

86 posted on 08/06/2010 9:29:53 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Korah
"....a hunter like my now diseased husband."

Damn.

I knew hunting could be called an obsession....but a disease?

I hope Obamacare covers it, 'cuz I musta caught it.

87 posted on 08/06/2010 9:35:03 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Tom Hawks

I think most of the posters don’t know wolves and how they operate, not having owned or ever watched one.

180 lbs? That’s CRAZY. 100lb wolves are ferocious enough.

And we’re talking about Oregon! Not Alaska.

Shoot, shovel and shut the hell up until these monster hybrids are extinct. They can always be re-bred if there is some pressing reason to, like 3000lb elk overpopulation.


88 posted on 08/06/2010 9:35:53 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: diogenes ghost
Can I "Tag" along....:>)
89 posted on 08/06/2010 9:36:02 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: txhurl
And we’re talking about Oregon! Not Alaska.

The only hope we have is that they migrate West and help reduce the population of liberals around Portland.

I think I read someplace that the moment these monsters start roaming the hills around Portland that a lot of leftist vegans will become newborn hunters.
90 posted on 08/06/2010 9:41:33 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: diogenes ghost
"'Cuz I doubt you are up for it yourself. "

I am an effective, proven and repeat killer of both man and animal.

91 posted on 08/06/2010 9:42:11 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Korah
My parents own over 200 acres not to far from where that wolf pack was spotted in Oregon. Last summer I was up there with my parents one Sunday afternoon when I spotted what I thought was a coyote on steroids approx 300 yards away just standing there looking at us. This thing was many times larger then a coyote and bulkier. It hit me that I was looking at a wolf. After a minute or so he just turned around and walked away. We had a rifle in the truck but before I could recover from being stunned at looking at a wild wolf and grab it, the wolf was gone.

Up there people live by their own rules and I bet there are shallow graves with dead wolfs.

92 posted on 08/06/2010 9:44:49 PM PDT by ParityErr (It's impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious.)
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To: Tom Hawks

And I though I had a hard time taking down my 100lb female when she went postal.

93 posted on 08/06/2010 9:51:30 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Mariner
I am an effective, proven and repeat killer of both man and animal.

I doubt you would have survived what I have been through. I have eaten things you could only dream of never seeing!

You act like some tough dude, buy any man who has seen the Canadian Grays do what I have seen them do, would never defend them as you do.

I am not talking about the small 50lb Northwestern wolf, I am talking about the 100lb plus Canadian grays. I know because I have witnessed my own dogs being shred apart by them when I only 15.

Take my word, the only good Canadian gray (in the lower 48) is a dead one.
94 posted on 08/06/2010 9:51:55 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: Tom Hawks; Mariner
"Can I 'Tag' along?"

Sure.

And be sure to bring Mariner with ya.

'Cuz bears respond well to bait.

95 posted on 08/06/2010 9:57:55 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Mariner
"I am an effective, proven and repeat killer of both man and animal."

Hilarious!!!!!

A killer squid!!!!!!

96 posted on 08/06/2010 10:01:55 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: ParityErr
This thing was many times larger then a coyote and bulkier. It hit me that I was looking at a wolf.
,br />Sadly, many at FR here would say you are not just exaggerating, but down right delusional.

We need more stories like yours to be told, because even among conservative circles, the lies about the wolves have been accepted as truth.

Have you ever thought of telling freeper Onevike? His ancestors were homesteaders in Western Montana, and this article was written by him. He is Chuck Wolk. He is also a big supporter of the Anti-wolf program in the lower 4.
97 posted on 08/06/2010 10:04:18 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: diogenes ghost
And be sure to bring Mariner with ya.

ROTFLMAO... Some how I do not think I could convince him to tag along....LOL
98 posted on 08/06/2010 10:06:53 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: muir_redwoods

ROFLMAO -— And some Upper West Side idiots would think that’s just fine - that is until their schnauzer disappeared in the dog park!
A couple of months or so ago a coyote made it into lower Manhattan. The Emergency Service cops were bending over backwards to catch it without harming it. They knew that if they killed it they’d catch hell from a public whose idea of wilderness is a Bambi cartoon with a chaser of Fern Gully.


99 posted on 08/06/2010 10:09:07 PM PDT by rex regnum insanit (falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus)
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To: Tom Hawks
any man who has seen the Canadian Grays do what I have seen them do, would never defend them as you do.

You might not want to generalize that quickly.

I lived in the Canada's Northwest Territories for the better part of three years and often followed wolf packs in Wood Buffalo Park. I have seen them stalk, hunt and kill moose and bison old and young, and yet I find them a beautiful, awe inspiring part of nature. You don't have to be an ecowhacko to enjoy the wild.

Conversely, wolves have an incredible array of social interactions, family and pack behaviors, and communication techniques. It's actually highly fascinating once you get the hang of it.

Similarly, they are far from "killing everything in their path". Yes, they kill dogs and coyotes because they perceive them as competitors, but they don't waste energy on non-sustenance engagements if they can help it. Yes, there have been isolated incidents (one every eight years on average) that haven't been fully explained, but we also have had black bears pursue and kill people within a hot springs spa area. Which doesn't turn blacks into maneating monsters. Fact of the matter is, that statistically wolves have virtually no aggressive history with man in North America.

I guess some of us simply interpret "America The Beautiful" differently than others.
100 posted on 08/06/2010 10:26:42 PM PDT by drtom
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